On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 9:41 PM, David Crayford <[email protected]> wrote:
> In nearly 20 years of shipping products that use LE we have never had a > customer report an LE problem. You seem to have experienced an inordinate > amount of problems. Might have to start calling you Jonah :) > I should probably be silent, but "what the hay". Ed seems towards LE the same way that many are towards PDSEs. They were an early adopter, got burned, and forever relegated the idea to the "pile of shit" category. It reminds me of my mom. She kept saying "never get a color T.V. They are junk because the image is so fuzzy.". When I got old enough to afford one, I got one. And my mom loved it because they had improved so much since she first saw one. It would be like me hating DFSMS because DF/EF was a pile of junk which burned my butt clean off. As an aside, I am now writing most of my HLASM to be LE compliant (CEEENTRY) because it makes it easier for me to write RENT,REUS code. And I need it to interoperate with the C run-time, which I (ab)use with great abandon. > > > On 7/12/2017 11:44 PM, Edward Gould wrote: > >> On Dec 7, 2017, at 6:20 AM, David Crayford <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> What is the alternative then? For every language to have it's own >>> runtime and be unable to interop with other languages. I don't grok a lot >>> of things you say which >>> seem to be personal opinions formed decades ago. LE is the z/OS ABI. >>> Without it we wouldn't have new languages and runtimes like Java, Swift, >>> Node.JS etc. >>> >> >> Continue as it was each language has its own unique subroutines. I will >> make one observation about LE and leave it there. LE *IF* it had NOT been >> written by young and inexperienced IBMers might have had a decent chance to >> do some good, the sound and inexperienced people that IBM brought in (at >> least when it first came out say through v12) regularly broke LE it seemed >> like every release. Its hard to say as I wasn’t present at any meetings but >> they seem to throw out a standard they wrote 6 months ago. I had it up to >> my neck with LE issues and they seemed to get more complicated and I got >> tired of answering the phone usually in 1 day I had opened 6 or 8 PMR’s. I >> remember PSF when it first came out it wasn’t as bad but the people on the >> other end were helpful, where the LE people had a chip on their shoulder >> and it was pretty hard to knock it off without source.They had the source >> and could see the issue(s) all we had was a dump to look at and its >> difficult to see the big picture with a dump, at least as far as I could >> see. >> >> I will not repeat this rant again as I will not deal anymore with LE >> issues, but is now somebody else problem, not mine. >> >> Ed >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- I have a theory that it's impossible to prove anything, but I can't prove it. Maranatha! <>< John McKown ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
