On 16 Feb 2016 09:11:30 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >For the record, I was once zookeeper for a 4341. West Coast technology >subsidiary of a major East Coast bank. It ran native 'commercial' MVS (no VM) >in the early 80s. It may have been an oddball for having been delivered with >CKD DASD, but the goal was to simulate the bank's much larger boxes in their >'real' data centers. I don't know how one would recreate that anachronistic >world today, but I can say that the configuration was very doable. System was >initialized BTW using standalone restore of backup tapes from another data >center. > The 4341 that had MVT installed on it on an emergency basis was there because it was being used to upgrade to MVT using a 4 MEG machine for a TCAM based order entry system and about 20 - 40 people on TSO. We had to get a second 4341 to continue the upgrade. We gradually increased memory up to 16 MEG and then upgraded through the 4381 series. They had a 3081 when I left in 1991.
Clark Morris >. >. >J.O.Skip Robinson >Southern California Edison Company >Electric Dragon Team Paddler >SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager >323-715-0595 Mobile >[email protected] > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Mike Schwab >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 10:58 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Bulk] Re: Query: Will modern z/OS and z/VM classes suffice for MVS >> and VM/370 >> >> I heavily recommend signing up for the Hercules yahoo groups for installing >> VM/370, MVS 3.8, DOS/VS, Music, PDOS, MVT 21.8F with APL\360, etc. Yes, >> they have been working on emulators, but using these versions of software. >> They even have install tape images and scripts to load empty volumes. >> >> http://www.jaymoseley.com/hercules/installMVS/install.htm >> MVS 3.7 starter system then build 3.8. >> >> http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/ >> http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/cookbook/ >> Turnkey 3 CD-ROM with MVS 3.8J. The Hercules on the CD-Rom is quite old. >> >> http://mvs380.sourceforge.net/ Turnkey 3 MVS 3.8J with 31 bit extensions so >> GCC can recompile itself. Of course the extentions won't work on real >> hardware, but just skip the enabling instruction. >> >> http://wotho.ethz.ch/tk4-/ Turnkey 3 with cleanups and improvements >> without the 31 bit changes for GCC. >> >> So, pick one, install on hercules, xmit370 to disk files, download to PC, >> load up >> to your disks. >> >> How will you install your starter system? >> >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > [email protected] (Rich Alderson) writes: >> >> We are currently in the process of restoring a 4341 to operating >> >> condition. We have just last week corrected a fault in the power >> >> system, and are able to power the system up and IML it from floppy. >> >> >> >> We are now deciding what operating system to run on the restored >> >> system. Most likely, we will run VM/370, but possibly we will run an >> >> MVS guest as well. I used to be an MVS systems programmer, but that >> >> was more than 30 years ago, and even the rust has eroded away. >> >> >> >> I would like to brush up on operations and systems programming, which >> >> would be much simpler if a modern z/OS and/or z/VM course would >> >> suffice for the older operating systems. Have the operator commands >> >> and programming utilities changed radically since 1984 (JES2, CMS)? >> >> >> >> Please feel free to reply privately if you wish to tell me how foolish >> >> this >> sounds. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rich Alderson >> > >> > >> > Hercules comes with 4341 era vm370 >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_%28emulator%29 >> > >> > vast majority of 4341s were shipped with FBA disks ... you would need >> > some sort of CKD disks in order to bring up MVS. >> > >> > huge percentage of 4341s went out into departmental areas with 3370 >> > FBA disks, sort of leading edge of distributed computing tsunami ... >> > not requiring datacenter provisioning. >> > >> > -- >> > virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since >> > Mar1970 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
