Lizette:
Well to I have always thought this way.
1. you have the "fuzzy" files (online etc).
2. you have your batch files which in most cases you can be a PIT backup. You pick a PIT and do you backups and you can back up everything but the ONLINE files. Any online system that is up 24X7X365 has there own needs and have to do their own.
most batch systems who do not touch online are relatively each.
The people that designed the online *MUST* have their own facility for back up and continuation services.
Ed

At one place I worked there was one "system" that updated several hundred volumes over the space of the day. We had their DASD mirrored in a far off place. Once in a while it went a little wacky and if people didn't notice it immediately heads rolled. I stumbled on the fact that it wasn't being mirrored correctly and reported it and I think 6 people got fired.



On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:48 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote:

Shane,

To your point. Anything we do with ABARS or DFDSS dumps will most likely be "fuzzy" as many files are always open under CICS/IMS/MQ/ DB2, etc....

To harden the data to make the backup useful would require an outage in some cases.

So I appreciate everyone's input.  There is a lot to consider.

Lizette


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On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 11:00:48 -0500, Glenn Wilcock finished with:

So, when determining your backup strategy, first determine your recovery
needs and then determine which backup technique will best fit those needs.

The elephant in the room is that there is no way to have complete
confidence in backups - of whatever nature. They may be "consistent"
(FSVO), but are they valid ?.
And if they are bad, there is no way to know how far back you need to go to get a "good" copy. And whether your business could survive going back that
far.

BTDTGTS.

Shane ...


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