BatchPipes V2 is probably still supported. It acquired the original Pipes plus 
BatchPipeWorks.

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of 
René Jansen <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, 10 September 2025 at 11:08
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Pipelines = you don't understand z/OS

Thanks for providing that link, but I see now where some of the unclarity comes 
from. I have another manual which describes TSO Pipes, GC28-1651, and I cannot 
find that online anywhere so now I really need to scan that.

In current CMS Pipelines documentation (looking at z/VM 7.1 from 2020 at 
least), there is this message included for z/OS support:

Level 1.1.9 of TSO Pipelines shipped under the name BatchPipeWorks* as part of
BatchPipes/MVS and subsequently SmartBatch/MVS, IBM Program Number 5655-A17,
but those products are no longer marketed by IBM.

I'll try to have that SmartBatch manual available somewhere soon, for 
historical purposes. I am certain that it got nowhere just because nobody knew 
about it. I always considered myself lucky to have worked for a company that 
shelled out tens of K's for things I found interesting, having seen it on VM; I 
don't think anybody else there ever used it. I find the assumptions in the 
subject header and the combative aversion to Unix very peculiar; this way of 
discussing issues is a certain way to alienate every decision maker against 
z/OS and mainframes; and this attitude seen here and there must also have hurt 
Linux on Z deployments, which is really great stuff (Linux on Z with ooRexx 
there, thanks to RexxLA).

best regards,

René.



> On 10 Sep 2025, at 01:54, Farley, Peter 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I definitely missed the section of the manual that tells how to 
> use BatchPipeWorks for other than BatchPipes-type processing.  At the time I 
> was involved, the POC was to see if BatchPipes processing could help us 
> reduce elapsed batch processing time, so that was our focus.
>
> BTW, the manual is still freely available from IBM here:
>
> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/SSLTBW_2.5.0/pdf/asf1a210.pdf
>
> Peter
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
> Glenn Knickerbocker
> Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2025 7:39 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Pipelines = you don't understand z/OS
>
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2025 19:05:51 -0400, Phil Smith III <mailto:[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>> Ya know, I remember hearing "There's an old version of Pipelines hiding in 
>> that BatchPipes" back in the day. This suggests that you're both sort of 
>> right (René "more righter"): it was there but not obvious, and thus is 
>> perhaps not a good example of folks using/opting not to use Pipes.
>
> It's confusing to talk about because it's two separate, disparate pieces:
>
> BatchPipes is the pipeline connecting different jobs--and/or systems?  I've 
> never had access to play with that piece and know nothing about it.
>
> BatchPipeWorks is CMS/TSO Pipelines level 1109001A included with BatchPipes.
>
> ¬R
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