Remember when IBM used Lotus Notes for email, and every email that went from Exchange to Lotus and back would get progressively more mangled?
-----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 10:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: email is eazy [was: Open enterprise edition ISO] Embrace, extend, extinguish. Life would be easier if the big players actually complied with standards. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Rick Troth <0000058ff5c2d0a7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2025 11:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: email is eazy [was: Open enterprise edition ISO] External Message: Use Caution I left out the part where I was going to say that the MIME standard makes things like spacing easy. If the header has "Content-Type: text/plain" that should be a clue! It started out simple enough. Seems to have gotten so complicated over the years. And it's fair to point fingers at providers who ignored "rough consensus" and failed to test interoperability with pre-existing other "running code". There. I feel better now. Another cup o coffee and I can start my day. -- R; <>< On 3/5/25 10:55 AM, Rick Troth wrote: > I was working in academia when standards like MIME were being hammered > out. > The university where I worked was a major Internet hub. (Also a BITNET > hub for those who remember that, DECNET too for that region.) > So the developments were kind of important to us. > > > Color me slightly amazed that this far into the email adventure* > we're still dealing with weirdness like this! > > Ya think?!?! > > Some might say that AOL brought email to the consumers, but that would > mean ignoring Compuserve. > Oh ... but AOL bought them. So does that give them the claim? [sigh] > > Now ... AOL did give us a fun early "interactive messaging" service. > But that too was inspired by fore runners: the guy managing the team > which cooked up AIM (AOL IM) had also been in academia running VM and > Unix-on-VM (Amdahl UTS). > > As it happens, I was chatting with colleagues just yesterday about > this topic: This particular dude wired-in BITNET interactive messaging > to UTS (hosted by VM/HPO). Later he left academia to join some > Virginia start-up called America Online. He and another VMer had done > such things as (remember BITNET II?) BITNET 1/2. Those were the days, > my friends. > > "We reject kings, presidents, and voting. We believe in rough > consensus and running code." > -- Dave Clark, IETF, 1992 > > > > > On 3/5/25 9:52 AM, Phil Smith III wrote: >> Giul asked: >>>> Peter F: Why did you double-space the matter quoted in hour reply? >>> It's distracting. (I cleaned it up.) >> Various email services, including Gmail, tend to show hard linebreaks >> as double spaced. I have an Outlook macro that converts hard to soft >> for this reason, and run it when I remember to before posting. >> >> Color me slightly amazed that this far into the email adventure* >> we're still dealing with weirdness like this! >> >> ...phsiii >> >> *A few years ago on a local forum I made a reference to email in 1980 >> and some whippersnapper tried to claim that "AOL invented email". I >> larfed. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- -- R; <>< ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
