John, I am trying understand IBMs reluctance with z/os and hercules,Linux..it's seems to me, It would benefit them, then who am I ...you know
Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On May 16, 2013, at 10:10 AM, John McKown <[email protected]> wrote: > And, if Linux, xen and kvm become a possibility. At work, I think we > use a combination of VMWare ESX, maybe vSphere (don't know for sure), > and MS Hyper-v. > > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Scott Ford <[email protected]> wrote: >> You can run linux as a vbox or VMware host ... >> >> Scott ford >> www.identityforge.com >> from my IPAD >> >> 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' >> >> >> On May 16, 2013, at 8:08 AM, zMan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> First sentence: What? >>> >>> Second: It might. That's certainly the hobbyist's argument. IBM doesn't see >>> it that way, clearly. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Scott Ford <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> You run just about any system in vbox or VMware we do, including various >>>> variants of Linux .. >>>> I understand IBM fighting hercules but ...wouldn't it also bring in more >>>> business like zpdt does ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott ford >>>> www.identityforge.com >>>> from my IPAD >>>> >>>> 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 15, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Phil Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> John McKown wrote: >>>>>> According to IBM, you cannot get a z/OS license for a Hercules based >>>>>> machine. It has been asked for by many, for a hobbyist environment. >>>>> >>>>> Right. And Platform Solutions not only proved that IBM wasn't >>>> interested, but that IBM would aggressively fight attempts to exploit >>>> loopholes. >>>>> >>>>>> Another emulator is Boch. It is an x86 emulator. As I recall, one person >>>>>> used this to run Windows, slowly, on an old pre-z machine. It would be >>>>>> interesting, to me, to have somebody do this on a zEC12 running full >>>> speed. >>>>>> I don't know if Windows can be licensed on this configuration, or not. >>>>> >>>>> That's Bochs. Adam Thornton, then of Sine Nomine Associates, did this on >>>> an MP3000 in about 2001: Exchange under Windows under Bochs under Linux for >>>> System z under z/VM. "Slow" doesn't begin to describe it, but Exchange did >>>> (eventually!) come up. >>>>> >>>>> I believe - but IANAL - that you can run Windows legally in a virtual >>>> machine as long as it's a unique use of that license copy etc. So sure, why >>>> not? ("Is it on an Intel or AMD CPU?" "Um, IBM zEC12, actually..." - now >>>> THAT would be a fun conversation!) >>>>> >>>>> ...phsiii >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an > actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? > > Maranatha! <>< > John McKown > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
