<g>, I had boss or two in my first thirty years (not all by any means) who 
would occasionally say "Now, Bob, I want you to do this task, but I don't want 
you to write a program to do it - just do it".  From this you would be 
justified in surmising that I like programming, and often write something to 
make the task go faster next time.

When that happened I sometimes just did it, but other times I'd take a little 
extra time and figure out how to code it, maybe on my own time and maybe not.  
To some extent it is to this kind of calculated disobedience that I attribute 
what I am today, working for clients who ~value~ the tools I create for myself 
and others.  I don't blame those old bosses for not being sure of the benefit.  
But I don't try too hard to feel guilty for making up my own mind about it, 
either.

Nowadays I'm better off.  When a PM said that to me a few years ago, I was in a 
position to tell him "With respect, I won't delegate that decision to you.  You 
folks hired me to do the best job for you.  This is my expertise; I'll decide 
whether it's better to write a utility for this or Just Do It."  He and I 
fought a lot, but we respected each other too and we got a ton of work done for 
the client during that tumultuous time.

Mostly, as you say, bosses ~like~ it when you expand your abilities.

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Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Jon 
Perryman
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 17:30

....yearly performance review when they discuss advancement? Every manager I 
had discusses personal and job growth which included at least 1 
self-improvement item. Do you feel the need to go behind their backs when there 
is something that you want to learn?

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