Hi Jon,
You said: "...Programmers leave z/OS for Unix in order to be in full
control. Why do you think it's difficult to get z/OS programmers. ..."
I've been doing MVS Systems Programming for 40+ years and have not once
heard any programmer leave for more control.
Could this be a west-coast specific mentality? ... It would not be
surprising.
Regards,
David
On 2023-08-14 01:54, Jon Perryman wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 06:04:55 PM PDT, Grant Taylor wrote:
These statements cause me to pause. They seem somewhat antithetical to
welcoming and encouraging people to use the mainframe / z/OS.
Why is it absurd to allow everyone to do a Proof Of Concept on z/OS?
You're confusing z/OS with Unix where all programmers are systems programmers
who can do anything they want. z/OS is NOT about be welcoming and encouraging.
It's about what's best for the business. Your on a multi-million dollar
computer shared by thousands. As a business programmer (not Unix sysprog),
you're not qualified nor authorized to make these decisions.
Programmers leave z/OS for Unix in order to be in full control. Why do you
think it's difficult to get z/OS programmers.
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 06:04:55 PM PDT, Grant Taylor <0000023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
On 8/7/23 9:56 AM, Jon Perryman wrote:
It's absurd to allow everyone to do Proof Of Concept on z/OS. Are
all POC vital to the business? Are POCs disruptive to the business?
These statements cause me to pause. They seem somewhat antithetical to
welcoming and encouraging people to use the mainframe / z/OS.
Why is it absurd to allow everyone to do a Proof Of Concept on z/OS?
Is there anything about z/OS that would cause you to worry about the
security and stability of the system?
Do you not trust a tiny VM / LPAR running a test instance of z/OS with
absolutely minimal resources explicitly for such PoCs?
I'd think that it would be a huge win for the platform to try to get
more people to do things on it.
No, not all PoCs are vital to the business. But I think that it's
difficult to tell if any given PoC is vital until /after/ it has been
tested.
I suspect that there were people that thought that TCP/IP wasn't vital
to the system back in SNA's heyday. Yet here we are 20+ years later and
the idea of having any system without a TCP/IP stack is unthinkable.
How long would TCP/IP for the mainframe have been delayed if someone
didn't allow such a PoC until /after/ evidence showed that it was needed.
I sincerely doubt that operators /needed/ to create programs that
printed interesting things to printers after hours. But I suspect that
many learned a thing or two about the system while doing so.
I would sincerely hope that VM / LPAR could contain anything running in
a tiny z/OS instance such that it couldn't be disruptive to the system.
Or, if it was somehow disruptive to the system, that might be a good
indicator that something needs to be tuned or a bug needs to be fixed
thereby enhancing the larger mainframe z/OS / z/VM community.
I think that encouraging people to do things on the mainframe / z/OS is
a *GOOD* thing.
Grant. . . .
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