> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 09:31:24 PM PDT, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> > wrote: > That looks like the result of CP, HCD and MCS not specifying the > same device type. > What happens if all three are 3215? What happens if all three are 3270? > Please stop letting Seymour drag everyone down a rabbit hole. What Seymour is > saying is non-sense. He's being pompous by over valuing his own opinion. The > only CONSOLE DEV(###) that would be useful to Phil are printers that are > compatible with z/VM 3215. Phil's only choices are CONSOLE DEV(###) printers > or the hardware console. Since Phil did not mention needing to issue z/OS > commands, printer should be acceptable. Unless I missed something, everything > else does not solve his problem. Phil, you can ignore the rest of this > message because it is for the z/OS people. I need to describe why this is > complete non-sense. 1. The console addr space is a simple application that > happens to deal with z/OS commands and messages. It has multiple user > interfaces (e.g. device addresses - terminals/printers, VTAM LU's, hardware > console, SSI, syslog, JES joblog & programmer log, remote console (think JES3 > consolidated consoles) and probably a few I forgot to mention). 2. Each user > interface is designed around how it will be used. I've avoided details that > will confuse Phil who does not understand z/OS nor it's terminology. Those > missing details would be helpful for z/OS people to understand why I'm making > a statement. 3. Console DEV(###) user interface cannot support 3215. > DEV(###) supports a few printers for hardcopy log and 3270 for user > interface. If I remember correctly, the 3215 connected to channel 0 (byte > channel). We lost byte channels decades ago so I wouldn't expect it to be HCD > definable nor console definable.
4. Console DEV(###) for 3270 terminals can be queried. For years, I defined my TN3270 session 160 X 60 which is not a valid model but still worked with any valid 3278 model specified. 3174 supported ascii scrollable terminals but from Phils tests, it appears that console does not support this capability. 5. Console 3270 datastream is not useful to Phil. While it's possible to screen scrape, lines are scrolled on a 3270 console which would cause the same line to be displayed multiple times on the screen in different locations. On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 09:31:24 PM PDT, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote: That looks like the result of CP, HCD and MCS not specifying the same device type. What happens if all three are 3215? What happens if all three are 3270? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of Phil Smith III [[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2023 11:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ignorant z/OS question Well, this is interesting. Tried again just now with TERMINAL CONMODE 3215. It comes up, and I see SECUSER output. The only weirdness is that much of the output is oddly formatted (copied from SECUSER's screen, in linemode): B- *10.09.46 *CBR3002E Library LATL00 no longer u sable. C0 *10.09.46 *CBR3002E Library LVTS00 no longe r usable. E *10.10.28 STC03234 *HZS0003E CHECK(IBMJES2,JES2_C KPT_CONFIG_SVSCJES2): F& *IAZH123E One or more checkpoints or new check points are not defined. G- *10.10.28 STC03234 *HZS0003E CHECK(IBMJES2, JES2_CKPT_CONFIG_SVSCJES2): H0 *IAZH128E Operator verification is enabl ed. ¢ - 10.11.25 STC03228 ADR111I-* AUTOMAT IC SYSTEM * .& - 10.11.25 STC03228 ADR111I-* STAR T WILL BEGIN IN * <- - 10.11.25 STC03228 ADR111I-* A PPROXIMATELY 60 SECONDS. * (0 - 10.11.25 STC03228 ADR111I- * * | - 10.11.25 STC03228 ADR11 1I-* ISSUE COMMAND: * && - 10.11.25 STC03228 AD R111I-* * J- - 10.11.25 STC03228 ADR111I-* C ALLAUTO * K0 - 10.11.25 STC032 28 ADR111I-* * M - 10.11.25 STC 03228 ADR111I-* TO STOP AUTO START. * N& 00- 10.11.25 STC03228 ADR111I-* * O- - 10.11. 25 STC03228 ADR111I-******************************* *0 IEE163I If I take some of that output and manually reformat it, I get: *CBR3002E Library LATL00 no longer usable. C0 *10.09.46 *CBR3002E Library LVTS00 no longer usable. E *10.10.28 STC03234 *HZS0003E CHECK(IBMJES2,JES2_CKPT_CONFIG_SVSCJES2): F& *IAZH123E One or more checkpoints or new checkpoints are not defined. G- *10.10.28 STC03234 *HZS0003E CHECK(IBMJES2,JES2_CKPT_CONFIG_SVSCJES2): H0 *IAZH128E Operator verification is enabled. ¢ - Note that these lines aren't 80, or 132, or anything like that. TERMINAL LINESIZE is 00. Tried 132; all that seems to do is cut off lines. What I see via SECUSER is also different from what I see in the SPOOLed console: there are a lot more blank lines displayed via SECUSER, and more linewraps. Guessing that's because there's some 3270 datastream stuff that's semi-getting handled, but can't prove that. It's sure not in the SPOOLed console, not even as undisplayables. So...progress, I guess? I can now IPL via XAUTOLOG and watch it, if a bit incoherently. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
