Why? In order to catch the ones who DON'T die and grow their business to the size IBM finds (more) profitable. I'm not talking about "next gen" IT companies but the startups and family companies in practical, everyday businesses.
If they grow without IBM technology they probably won't ever even look at IBM for IT solutions. Therefore lost potential clients. But I admit that is just my somewhat parochial view. We can agree to disagree. Peter -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 3:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF Why would IBM offer state of the art technology that they’ve spent billions to develop to “next generation” companies, most of whom will die within a decade? Wouldn’t that tick off their current customers who might then ask for a similar discount? Do automakers offer discounts to those who can’t afford their products? Do insurance companies offer discounts to consumers who can’t afford the premiums? IBM must also consider their shareholders who rely on the dividend. As we’ve discussed previously, IBM mainframes are growing customers and growing their transactions processed for their current customers. As for ignoring small & medium sized companies, I disagree. They’ve got a number of small and midsized companies including health insurers, banks, retailers, etc. I’ve worked for some who still run a mainframe. On Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 10:49 AM, Farley, Peter <0000031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: The counter-argument to that is "How do you build the next generation(s) of companies that need/want to buy mainframes?". By abandoning the low end (and frankly the middle as well) IBM is cutting off any such development of a future client base. Hint: It isn't through outsourcers. Peter -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF Why would anyone think IBM wants to sell a mainframe to everyone? Any more than Tesla wants to sell to people who buy 15-20k autos. Someone needing 20 MSUs would be a perfect candidate for outsourcing to someone who outsources mainframe capacity. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, June 27, 2023, 9:36 AM, Pommier, Rex <rpomm...@sfgmembers.com> wrote: If a company is using a 20 MSU system and is forced to buy a 200 MSU system because that's the smallest available, unless something drastic happens to hardware AND software pricing, the company isn't going to be looking for "what else can I put on this expensive and woefully underutilized machine", they're going to be looking at "where can I move my 20 MSUs worth of processing to get rid of this expensive machine". We're running a 2-way, 316 MSU machine and my business customers would squawk loudly if I had to move our workload to a 4 way with no more horsepower. We have several single-threaded processes that run that would be woefully impacted if the per-engine thruput was halved. Rex -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Andrew Rowley Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 5:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: z/OSMF On 27/06/2023 5:40 pm, Gibney, Dave wrote: > 200 MSU was much more than we needed. Maybe 20 or so at our peaks. And the > z/OS and ISV charges at 200 levels would have been intolerable. That's why I keep qualifying it with ISVs would have to adjust their pricing. While the smallest system is 13 MSU they have no reason to do that, but if the smallest available system was 200 MSU I think they would be forced to adjust. If you are using 100% of a 20 MSU system, z/OS is just an expensive system that can't do much more than run the stuff still around from the 90s. If you are using 20 MSU of a 200 MSU system, it's an expensive system hugely underutilized, and maybe people start asking what work can be moved there, how to make better use of the data it contains etc? -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
