In the semi-famous Logica hack in Sweden - I did some research into the 
details, some years ago - the intruders seemed competent to write their own 
binary code and run it in OMVS.  But they bogged down when they had to 
link-edit something; they had a number of failures because of a laughably bad 
JOB card, and eventually gave up.  In Unix they were perfectly comfortable, but 
JCL conquered them.

I was tempted to sneer at the time ("can't even be bothered to read an error 
message!"), but I've been learning mainframe for 30 years now.  Wait, 40 years? 
 My gosh, 50, almost!  I gotta learn to subtract faster than that.  Anyway, 
I've forgotten more than they're likely ever to learn, as the saying goes (and 
I'm by no means expert), so it's probably well to keep in mind that it wasn't 
obvious to me at first, either.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of 
Farley, Peter
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2023 12:23

....I have been using the IBM Zxplore website on my own time for over a year 
now for enhanced learning of some of the "new" technologies available on our 
mainframe systems, and I have been consistently surprised to observe the actual 
difficulties that genuine newcomers to mainframe systems have with many 
fundamental concepts that we take for granted.  The "almost tree-like (but not 
really)" structure of mainframe datasets and the use (and mis-use) of JCL seem 
to be the most frequent cause of misunderstanding and errors, along with 
learning to read and understand the messages generated from a batch job or 
utility execution.

It isn't the client-side tool interface (VSCode vs TSO/ISPF) that gives most of 
the newcomers fits, they seem to pick that up without too many problems.  It's 
the fundamental system operational differences that make it harder for them to 
grasp, at least at first.

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