In the semi-famous Logica hack in Sweden - I did some research into the details, some years ago - the intruders seemed competent to write their own binary code and run it in OMVS. But they bogged down when they had to link-edit something; they had a number of failures because of a laughably bad JOB card, and eventually gave up. In Unix they were perfectly comfortable, but JCL conquered them.
I was tempted to sneer at the time ("can't even be bothered to read an error message!"), but I've been learning mainframe for 30 years now. Wait, 40 years? My gosh, 50, almost! I gotta learn to subtract faster than that. Anyway, I've forgotten more than they're likely ever to learn, as the saying goes (and I'm by no means expert), so it's probably well to keep in mind that it wasn't obvious to me at first, either. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Proverbs are freeze-dried reality: Your success in understanding them correctly will vary with the quality of the water you use to reconstitute them. -unknown */ -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Farley, Peter Sent: Friday, February 24, 2023 12:23 ....I have been using the IBM Zxplore website on my own time for over a year now for enhanced learning of some of the "new" technologies available on our mainframe systems, and I have been consistently surprised to observe the actual difficulties that genuine newcomers to mainframe systems have with many fundamental concepts that we take for granted. The "almost tree-like (but not really)" structure of mainframe datasets and the use (and mis-use) of JCL seem to be the most frequent cause of misunderstanding and errors, along with learning to read and understand the messages generated from a batch job or utility execution. It isn't the client-side tool interface (VSCode vs TSO/ISPF) that gives most of the newcomers fits, they seem to pick that up without too many problems. It's the fundamental system operational differences that make it harder for them to grasp, at least at first. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN