>  From the presentations I've seen they used CDC to capture writes and
then published events to Kafka, which was fanned out to different
micro-services to do fraud detection, payments, push notifications etc.

Any chance it's available for the public?
I've seen a similar session by Confluent & Nationwide.
Knowing others' implementation stories is super useful.

- KB

------- Original Message -------
On Sunday, June 19th, 2022 at 11:32 PM, David Crayford <[email protected]> 
wrote:


> On 20/06/2022 12:38 am, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> > Keep in mind that the mainframe can only do batch processing, with input 
> > from cards. It doesn't support anything like CICS, IMS or Sabre..
>
>
> What have transactional systems like CICS or IMS got to do with
> real-time, straight-through processing? Most mainframe transactions
> store data that is later processed by batch, typically overnight. In the
> case of banking transactions that require inter-bank settlements this
> can cause delays of several days. In Australia the government mandated
> the NPP (New Payments Platform) which facilities instant payments using
> payids, which can be an email address, cellphone numbers etc. The API is
> a simple REST API using HTTP
> https://nppa.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/NPP-API-Framework-v4.0-Final.pdf.
> It's my understanding that no bank implemented NPP on the mainframe.
> From the presentations I've seen they used CDC to capture writes and
> then published events to Kafka, which was fanned out to different
> micro-services to do fraud detection, payments, push notifications etc.
> Back in the day straight-through processing was a pipe dream which is
> why we have overnight batch. It's a relic of applications written
> decades ago for very different hardware platforms.
>
> > It's much better to run Linux than to get an IFL, which can only run batch.
>
>
> I have no idea what you mean?
>
> > Cynical? Moi?
> >
> > --
> > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of 
> > David Crayford [[email protected]]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 2:36 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and 
> > AWS
> >
> > On 19/06/2022 5:23 am, Enzo D'Amato wrote:
> >
> > > I also agree, but as a non-insider, I wanted to know what others were 
> > > thinking. I also belive that in most cases, the effort spent trying to 
> > > get off the mainframe would be better spent actually fixing the code 
> > > running on it in the first place. Moving around broken code doesn't 
> > > automatically fix it.
> > > It's not just about fixing broken code. If you read the ING CIO's
> > > remarks about why they wanted off the mainframe it's not about the
> > > platform. Nobody denies that mainframes are insanely brilliant hardware
> > > platforms. ING wanted to get rid of batch and move towards an event
> > > driven architecture using pub/sub where they can easily deploy loosely
> > > coupled micro-services to provide cutting edge products. The technology
> > > stacks are built on open source such as Kafka, MongoDB, Cassandra, NiFi,
> > > Avro etc. The retail banking industry has been disrupted by fintechs so
> > > waiting for an overnight batch schedule for settlements is a competitive
> > > disadvantage. Cracking open and modernizing 50-60 year old COBOL batch
> > > applications is a VERY heavy lift.
> >
> > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1GoiNO6FBPSWW0D9FZYVYixer1jsPeSd_xH-wmi6jMOC-onAkZQ4Pkf3c1UMGWbQeEprnkSWa1xGxz4vvn-LF0jVrCFlVVFZKQJ4Jti8nbQ7QchsOxhwNiwluJrdKkQP2nXXHQH2Ut2NNa9VChfVBIDR7Akw4ud6_pIXLAFXO5l73Sv-iLZFNU1MWWnLapWhhCKvytdzs7EJTvNZ2qbU8xwCdBEl1UkUuL-jHHZLk6xJPxAadVRWP1nuLz8i5AZrfvDI8u8rZ0V0DT77_Uvu8klHLbL9xe2qaYi1P6a6mc8r9Aj2jothGC-CR9cbCgb-JVXupgin9UctH5C_iVMyn_T-9jzZjtNyZDETxb8hXMU-BOuUz89MGu1nniZJ2tvSSN8yh5A6K-_It8fA10UFCfSBhOB0NVkwKL5M8A2BxZ9_e111GnxGK_PAbj0wh5fvU/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theregister.com%2F2016%2F07%2F01%2Fing_mainframe_strategy%2F
> >  <- read
> > the comments section. It's hilarious :)
> >
> > The doubly whammy is there's a skills crisis slowly unraveling. In the
> > last year we've had 3 key resources move to 3 day weeks with a view to
> > retiring. Replacing highly skilled assembler programmers with deep
> > subsystem knowledge is proving to be difficult. Young people don't want
> > to learn HLASM as they consider it a dead-end. Their position is "why
> > invest 3-4 years learning a language that is useless if you move to
> > another industry?" I can't comment about COBOL application developers.
> >
> > In 10 years time I expect the mainframe to be alive and kicking and
> > significantly modernized. The small/medium shops will probably be all
> > gone. When I first moved to my current town in 1998 there were 25-30
> > mainframe sites. Now there are 3 and 1 is on life support. One of our
> > customers re-platformed their CICS/COBOL/Batch applications from a z9 to
> > a single blade server. It doesn't make any sense financially for a small
> > site to run a mainframe.
> > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1-2iTgedz9DPApFopeywjfCeLAkb4kS8D5gFCEDU1FxvGiDWA4ou6pqJyb1d_hBAvGUBtcA89RrAylX3opaG2YEyDaGkIhptpRdukdHvdGOJNKn5bruFlKlnigitV6PrV4n-6zInQkhkJJdSriM40VeYiNOpB8Pg3nTa5E6k6TTIOXSfdaiQOGk1Y6EXL4Xtu-wkeXJmwaPEZljVo3KuwR0K75lrsX8fDe2f2CjcjvfrM3ruLG4na4zrAU_pR4DViMh7bKBhJ35a94VHU7GR4Vh_mXKaYwtbhwnRJWR8gVkvYjmB2CjTOIxJE52bNN1-82_fpYopX-kZQntDkR4OKjvj-b1AV9yXlGQ3A-eGFbtuCb0_1t2R9tgZ5MqgMbzxGQKIf78I2U_xq8a9qYywx3_OgfQwbeMgd8fiatdC5CbUSlphDlQfSDw9sOErejC7z/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.itnews.com.au%2Fnews%2Fwa-insurance-commission-decommissions-mainframe-322780
> >
> > > Get BlueMail for 
> > > Androidhttps://secure-web.cisco.com/1bcgENTOsK8XbQ24q-R3ISXJI_yYDqxq2wHDg7brpU3Np08gk-JU47Zv8dYAGOAWnxVTv-NWRXAx9s4JTmUJU07wHFT67zaiAPG32upxzSYnSiKIM6O3YI79ZGti7V-QdCWRtiBxOjLh3oMxNvzCcJgTTW-HQmmeQii1zDdP-GC1Rs0umn7xhevV0-PazdAun8gOm5P8Ld_gCw2UojSyXNKZKfmsqJPnt96XgISsJy9-_K81O2L5O-GDW2nxM7_C00lPjk0sF0iNqPQKNZAhVr0kk4TCoT4ePDBbBBUCUw6KfhxpkkhmUuo549OfnVRHweKCGYhEm5WE9nw-5khsn01oqKJxbv_y6P4BrO5DGw0QG7NfYwbUflAaNRV_ljL51KqrNoQV0AdEetiWauYmab1O_GjVvCOudxDs52JwrFXbWBbqEqxhU7qQ3TS--F13f/https%3A%2F%2Fbluemail.me
> > > On Jun 18, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Charles Mills 
> > > <[email protected]mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I always like the stories about the companies that are in the eighth year 
> > > of
> > > a three-year project to get off the mainframe.
> > >
> > > Enzo, my friend, you have just kicked the hornets' nest! You had better
> > > duck, because the onslaught is coming. "The mainframe is [not] dead" is 
> > > near
> > > and dear to the hearts of IBM-MAINers.
> > >
> > > Yes, I think the consensus is that the mainframe has a future. IBM seems 
> > > to
> > > be focused mainly on the very largest shops, so the trend seems to be 
> > > bigger
> > > and bigger machines at fewer and fewer companies. But it is hard to 
> > > envision
> > > Bank of America balancing their checking accounts every day on an array of
> > > Windows servers, in their datacenter or in the cloud. My reading of the 
> > > tea
> > > leaves -- I am not an insider -- is that for a long time IBM was saying
> > > the mainframe was here to stay but internally they did not believe it and
> > > were not making decisions on that basis -- but I think that has now 
> > > changed.
> > > IBM appears to have made a HUGE investment in the z16, an investment that
> > > will take more than 5 or more years to recoup.
> > >
> > > Welcome aboard!
> > >
> > > Charles
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On
> > > Behalf Of Enzo D'Amato
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:56 PM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM 
> > > and
> > > AWS
> > >
> > > As someone who is new to this field, and hasn't been though a wave of "the
> > > mainframe is going away" yet, will there still be companies running the
> > > mainframe 5 or 10 years down the line? Also, when I read about companies
> > > trying to get off of the mainframe, how often do these efforts end up
> > > succeeding?
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [email protected] on behalf of
> > > Mike Schwab [email protected]
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 12:04 AM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM 
> > > and
> > > AWS
> > >
> > > Moshix signed up for an AWS instance, loaded up Hercules and Turnkey
> > > 4-, got it going, and allowed some other people to log in.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:31 AM Bill Johnson
> > > [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > Cloud - Something the mainframe has been doing for decades. We called it
> > > outsourcing. GM ran their entire organization out of mainframes in
> > > Charlotte, Dallas, & perhaps another in the 80's. The internet just made 
> > > it
> > > easier, and less secure & reliable. Brought outsourcing to a wider 
> > > audience.
> > >
> > > Mainframe modernization. An oxymoron. Like saying today's cars are like
> > > cars from 50 years ago. The mainframe is more advanced than any other
> > > platforms. Billions of dollars of investment and patented technologies 
> > > have
> > > guaranteed its place for decades to come.
> > >
> > > Sure, AWS, Azure, Oracle cloud & numerous others are creating cheap,
> > > unsecured, unreliable, platforms for small businesses, picture storage,
> > > emails, instant messaging, and many other tasks that aren't show stoppers 
> > > if
> > > they're hacked or down for one of many reasons. As Capital One found out 
> > > and
> > > lost almost 200 million for the pleasure.
> > >
> > > I enjoy the glee that many of you exude when IBM has what might be
> > > perceived as negative news. I saw the same glee when in the 90's some 
> > > idiot
> > > said the mainframe would be history circa 2000.
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> > >
> > > On Friday, June 17, 2022, 9:06 AM, zMan [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:50 AM David Crayford [email protected]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe it's the case that customers don't want to use IBMs cloud. Where I
> > > live in Australia the big four banks are moving significant chunks of
> > > their infrastructure to public cloud and have government legislation to
> > > do so. NAB in particular have been quite aggressive, although like most
> > > sensible enterprises they have gone down the multi-cloud route with
> > > Microsoft Azure so they don't have all their eggs in one basket.
> > >
> > > It will be interesting to see if IBM can close the cloud gap. Playing
> > > catch-up is difficult when competing with behemoths with a decade+ head
> > > start.
> > >
> > > Indeed. Word from insiders is that since IBM "management" have decided
> > > cloud is The Answer, folks have started playing games, like attributing
> > > all
> > > CICS-related revenue as "cloud". Q4 2020, IBM claimed $6.2B in cloud
> > > revenue on total revenue of $16B. Given that nobody EVER says"cloud" and
> > > "IBM" in the same sentence in the real world, those numbers are quite
> > > difficult to believe without this kind of gameplaying.
> > >
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> > > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
> > > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
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