On 8/12/21 9:34 pm, Bodra - Pessoal wrote:
Just a very simple question: They know word CONTINGENCY and data MIRROR?
Of course they do. Cloud computing providers allow you to set
availability zones on different data centeres and they replicate. Like
most It outages I suspect human error just like Facebook a couple of
months ago. You can build the most reliable
infrastructure in the world but if a human is involved you are always in
danger of an outage.
Most of mainframe installations that I know today has contingency plans, mirror
backup links, backup power sources etc... Cloud haven´t this, or is too
expensive?
Carlos Bodra
IBM zEnterprise Certified
São Paulo – SP – Brazil
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Assunto: Re: AWS is down.
Of course, agreed. Just saying that MF isn't the one and only, best possible
server/platform, in all of time.
What's wrong with others trying, however futile it may or may not be.
IBM sure did try when they first created the MF.
- KB
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On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 5:45 PM, David Spiegel
<dspiegel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You said: "... Did the world not exist before 1960s?
Did people automatically die before 1960s because they didn't have MF? ..."
Yes, the world existed before the 1960s and, no, nobody died as a result
of no mainframe.
You're forgetting that the world was a different place then.
Computer-based patient care was not invented until 1969.
I can remember going to my bank (in the 1960S) and having the teller
write my transaction in my bankbook with a pen.
The credit card had just been invented. Most people still wrote cheques
or paid in cash. There were no ATMs until 1969. There were no cellular
telephones.
There was no Internet as we know it today etc.
Regards,
David
On 2021-12-08 01:33, kekronbekron wrote:
Critical infra in some places, sure, not everyone is denying that.
At the moment of urgent need, do people really buy something and wait for MF to
finish processing, for them to be then allowed to continue breathing?
What happened to the interim stages (logstics etc).
It sounds as though failure to buy/order something immediately is going to lead
to their death... is what's being said.
Sounds pretty privileged to me.
It also sounds like it's assumed that mainframes will last 500 years, no?
Did the world not exist before 1960s?
Did people automatically die before 1960s because they didn't have MF?
Are people and organizations not allowed to be wrong (to their own detriment),
etc.
Are we sure that 100% of all information out there is truth, apart from this
announcement that AWS wants to replace MF?
We can all like MF, but don't need to act like it's the sole saviour of
humanity.
Again that means that all technology that evolved since then is a complete
waste of time and people's efforts.
Sounds pretty delusional to me... just to convey that MFs are good servers.
- KB
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On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 10:00 AM, Bill Johnson
00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
AWS had a larger & longer outage today, than all the outages on the mainframes
I’ve worked on in the last 30 years. Much worse. Yet, some here think AWS is going
to replace the mainframe for critical applications like banking, health care, big
retail, and insurance. Plus, the mainframe has had plenty of negative posts here in
the decades I’ve been involved. Nobody dies when Netflix isn’t available. (One of
the hits from today) people can and do die if the drugs they need aren’t available
because the computer system is down.
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On Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 11:01 PM, kekronbekron
000002dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
Not at anybody in particular:
Do we have to make snide remarks because someone else had an outage?
Don't we remember the times when things on the mainframe itself went south?
Has every site's MF env. been 100% available through all these decades?
Is it wrong to fail sometimes?
Is this the attitude with which you'd like to retire, holding onto precious
remarks and burning the path behind you as you leave?
What does that say about one's mentality and outlook in life?
- KB
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On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 3:54 AM, Ronald Wells
000002ebc63ff5ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
Pretty pic/web pages make the $$ did you not get the memo
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Oh, but they advertise that they can replace mainframe. Well, maybe the
processing. But not the on site reliability. Of course, for WFH, the internet
is the week point. And, most likely, also the home equipment. I just had to
reboot my Windows PC at home because it decided to stop talking to my internet
router.
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, 12:49 Bill Johnson <
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Amazon Web Services is down. I can’t get to my pictures. Glad we don’t
have our mainframe running there.
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