Quote <(why am I thinking zDENTAL?)> Probably because until it's been available and IBM's lawyers have had a chance to shake some problems (and maybe people) down over it, it'll be like getting teeth pulled to get a straight answer out of them? :-)
rex -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware Which leads to a question.What, exactly is a "development environment"? Is it an environment in which any code is written? That can't be it or IBM would not include any compilers or interpreters with ZDNT (why am I thinking zDENTAL?). Does running a program I wrote (developed) mean it is now a "test environment"? Or must everything done on ZDNT remain on that one and only system? I assume that I can move the ZDNT image to a new host. Since it is "dongle protected", I know I can't run ZDNT concurrently on more than one Intel system. What about Linux on VMWare? Or multiple Linux images on VMWare sharing the dongle? Hum, how about Hyper-V to run Linux under Windows? Yes, these are mainly silly questions. The problem is the vagueness of the license. And I have more questions. Assuming I can indeed write and run programs on ZDNT (CBTTape programs?), can I distribute that program in either executable or source form to other ZDNT licensees, or even other non-ZDNT z/OS licensees? Or to a public source repository such as CBTTape or some GitHub, et al., repository? If I later get a job for a company because I know z/OS from working with ZDNT, can I take my personally developed code to my new employer? If not, and I need something similar, do I need to "start from scratch" like a "clean room" developer? How do I purge my memory of previously written code (I had am employer who wanted me to sign an agreement which basically said this)? How many of us have a personal repository of code that we haul from job to job? On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 11:47 AM Lionel B. Dyck <lbd...@gmail.com> wrote: > Here is the exact prose from the agreement you have to sign for the > Learner's Edition: > > The purpose of this Learning License Agreement (“Agreement”) is to > make available certain software, resources, and/or cloud services for > educational and non-commercial research to any Individual wanting to > engage in educational activities solely related to learning z/OS. As > an eligible individual, you accept the terms of this Agreement by > completing the registration process and accessing the Eligible > Resources. > . . . > 2. License > IBM grants you a nonexclusive, nontransferable license to use Eligible > Resources solely for instruction and learning. Eligible Resources > shall not be used in development, test, or production environments. > Eligible Resources shall not be 1) used, copied, modified, or > distributed except as provided in this Agreement; 2) reverse > assembled, reverse compiled, or otherwise translated, except as > specifically permitted by law without the possibility of contractual > waiver; or 3) sublicensed, rented, or leased. > > > > Lionel B. Dyck <>< > Website: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lbdsoftware.com__;!!KjMRP1Ixj6 > eLE0Fj!6Q7KR0ZAUdKhxm4X91k63w2bmzh0k9LtF94OGoCFhfkDDBLNagguGC5PNqlMy5e > 0IA$ > Github: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/lbdyck__;!!KjMRP1Ixj6eL > E0Fj!6Q7KR0ZAUdKhxm4X91k63w2bmzh0k9LtF94OGoCFhfkDDBLNagguGC5PNqnQaFCKo > A$ > > “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what > you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Scott Fagen > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 11:09 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware > > Sebastian, I think you may have hit on the crux of the matter: > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 03:44:17 -0500, Sebastian Welton > <sebast...@welton.de> > wrote: > > >This license is for personal, individual learning use only and not > >for > test and development of commercial products. > > The legal question is: is developing a program to be distributed as > open source software considered the development of a commercial product? > > I am not a lawyer, but I've dealt with software IP legal issues for > many years. "Commercial Product" is a term that is typically defined > within a contract or licensing agreement and _usually_ is something like: > > "Commercial product means a product, such as an item, material, > component, subsystem, or system sold or traded to the general public > in the course of normal business operations at prices based on > established catalog or market prices." > > A "plain reading" of the above statement (in my legally > _non-authoritative_ opinion) would not preclude development of open > source software, as such software is freely available; it is neither > traded nor paid for. > > Of course, that statement is not from the Learner's licensing agreement. > It would be interesting if someone could find the exact language. > > Scott Fagen > Sirius Computer Solutions > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. 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