How about developing on KicksForTso and leave conversion to a more modern compiler to the user? DogeCoin app was developed that way.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 4:32 AM John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Farley, > > They might monitor CBTtape. That's where I normally submit my feeble > attempts. And, of course, monitoring this forum. > > From what I've read, IBM's legal team is "vigorous". AI could probably > monitor these emails quite easily. I guess someone here could find an email > provider in a country which would be harder to track back to the user's > teal country. > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 14:35 Farley, Peter x23353 < > 0000031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > To me this is the key requirement: > > > > "Eligible Resources shall not be used in development, test, or production > > environments." > > > > That says to me "not in your *company/employer's* environments". Again I > > say, what is "learning" on a ZDNT instance but pure development? > > > > As for denying the ability to participate in open-source development, I > > restate my prior question: What metrics would IBM have access to that would > > permit them to either identify or target ZDNT "learners" from participating > > in open-source development? How would they know, unless perhaps their > > Watson AI machine(s)/network(s) are monitoring all github development > > repositories and issue resolution conversations for ZDNT clues? > > > > If one develops open-source on ZDNT but contributes via normal github > > processes from one's own PC (not from the ZDNT instance), how could they > > know, barring active web monitoring on a scale more like what the spooks > > down in Fort Meade Maryland do? Or unless someone deliberately tells IBM > > about a specific instance of such a contribution? > > > > Makes no sense to me any which way. That's an effectively unenforceable > > restriction so long as the ZDNT instance itself is not directly used for > > open-source contributions. > > > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf > > Of Lionel B. Dyck > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 3:02 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware > > > > Here are the pertinent paragraphs: > > > > The purpose of this Learning License Agreement (“Agreement”) is to make > > available certain software, resources, and/or cloud services for > > educational and non-commercial research to any Individual wanting to engage > > in educational activities solely related to learning z/OS. As an eligible > > individual, you accept the terms of this Agreement by completing the > > registration process and accessing the Eligible Resources. > > > > > > 2. License > > IBM grants you a nonexclusive, nontransferable license to use Eligible > > Resources solely for instruction and learning. Eligible Resources shall not > > be used in development, test, or production environments. > > Eligible Resources shall not be 1) used, copied, modified, or distributed > > except as provided in this Agreement; 2) reverse assembled, reverse > > compiled, or otherwise translated, except as specifically permitted by law > > without the possibility of contractual waiver; or 3) sublicensed, rented, > > or leased. > > > > I specifically asked my IBM contact about working on open-source projects > > and was told NO. > > > > So a hobby license this is not. > > > > > > Lionel B. Dyck <>< > > Website: > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lbdsoftware.com__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!dUrOSCPhLsEwHK6YLWswoWu7w7ze8wxqCBmlZg_LZwZRVPZda5tavacp5W-tix5jKx1b6w$ > > Github: > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/lbdyck__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!dUrOSCPhLsEwHK6YLWswoWu7w7ze8wxqCBmlZg_LZwZRVPZda5tavacp5W-tix4eJBgSOw$ > > > > “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what > > you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf > > Of Mark Regan > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 1:51 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware > > > > I'm still waiting to hear back from IBM Sales on getting the product. I > > submitted my request to them almost 2-weeks ago, and all I've gotten back > > (the same day) is an automated response email that says we will get back to > > you. > > Regards, > > > > Mark Regan, K8MTR > > > > *CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991* > > *Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017* > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 2:29 PM John McKown <john.archie.mck...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks. Saves me the bother of wondering about it. > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 12:41 Lionel B. Dyck <lbd...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The T's&C's explicitly state that it is to be used for learning and > > > > may NOT be used for any kind of development - including Open Source. > > > > > > > > I've confirmed that with two sources. > > > > > > > > Disappointing.... ☹ > > > > > > > > > > > > Lionel B. 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