I have coded PL/I but thanks.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 4:17 PM, Bill Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: Dude, you can’t even figure out I’m on YOUR side. When I posted a few months back regarding IBM patents, a whole bunch of listers bashed me and claimed most of IBMs patents were worthless. I’m impressed that you have patented code. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 4:13 PM, David Spiegel <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Bill, Are you just a troll, or, are you really that impolite/ignorant? My Rexx patented program was reviewed by the US Patent office and I was required to defend it against 5 others. It took 9 calendar months from the start of application until granting of patent. There are reasons why IBM leads the world in patents, BUT, they still have to pass muster regardless. What makes you think, nitwit, that programming 10,000 lines of COBOL (, which, BTW is freaking wordy beyond belief) is more mind bending than Rexx? If you would've coded 10,000 lines of PL/I, FORTRAN or (especially) APL, that would've contained a lot more logic than your "essay" with all of the attendant COBOL nonsense. Regards, David On 2021-08-22 13:35, Bill Johnson wrote: > I seem to remember IBM listers poo pooing patents when I pointed out IBM > leads the world in patents every year. Comparing a 40 line REXX/CLIST > “program” to a 10,000 line IMS/COBOL program that scans a parts database is > an absolute joke. Patent or not. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, August 22, 2021, 6:15 AM, David Spiegel <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Bill, > "... "Programming” in REXX, CLIST, and similar types of languages is > hardly programming. ..." > > Maybe you should tell that to the US Patent Office in Washington, DC. > They can then invalidate my patent retroactively. > > Please see: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatents.justia.com%2Fpatent%2F8261255&data=04%7C01%7C%7C720b818ce6b9430e5c7008d965933d0c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637652505464744139%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=bowhK51%2BmmUxapgDhaxZidVvOXm1Yd%2BgdogPPas%2FfSA%3D&reserved=0 > > Regards, > David > > On 2021-08-21 21:51, Bill Johnson wrote: >> “Programming” in REXX, CLIST, and similar types of languages is hardly >> programming. Real programming is hundreds or thousands of lines of COBOL, >> with IMS, DB2, or CICS calls. I was pretty damn good too. Started off in >> COBOL/IMS 4 decades ago. Did a little bit of COBOL/CICS and quite a bit of >> COBOL/DB2 later. Try putting together the necessary code to drill down a >> hierarchical database like IMS. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Saturday, August 21, 2021, 9:31 PM, Bob Bridges <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> This part of the thread got me thinking. How often do you write a program >> that works right the first time, with no compile or execution errors? I'm >> not talking about two-liners, of course, or even ten-liners; let's say 30 or >> thereabouts. Please specify the language, too, since it seems to me they >> vary in error-prone-ness. >> >> I've done it occasionally, but by "occasionally" I mean "less than one time >> in twenty"; maybe much less, I'm not sure, and only once in my life when >> anyone was watching. That was in PL/C; mostly nowadays I write in REXX and >> VBA. >> >> In fact my REXXes typically start out with at least ten or fifteen lines of >> boilerplate, and any VBA/Excel program likely relies on a raft of common >> functions and/or objects that are part of my regular library, so when I say >> "30 lines", some of those lines don't really count. >> >> --- >> Bob Bridges, [email protected], cell 336 382-7313 >> >> /* The schools of ancient morality had four cardinal virtues: justice in >> human relations, prudence in the directions of affairs, fortitude in bearing >> trouble or sorrow, temperance or self-restraint. But they knew nothing of >> mercy or forgiveness, which is not natural to the human heart. Forgiveness >> is an exotic, which Christ brought with Him from Heaven. -F.B.Meyer */ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >> Tom Brennan >> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 13:41 >> >> ....one of my other supervisors/teachers would tell me about her application >> experience. She said no matter how complex her COBOL programs were, they >> would not only compile first time but would run perfectly. This of course >> was due to her rigorous desk-checking which I assume took days. >> >> I remember thinking "that's crazy" but I just kept quiet. I'll give her a >> break because that could have been at the time of card punching where such >> desk-checking made far more sense. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> . > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
