Joel, Thanks. You have succinctly expressed my opinion.
Don > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:06 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: FW: mainframe "selling" points > > As point of comparison, merge this with prior info from Timothy > (comments after): > On 01/31/2013 08:32 AM, Don Williams wrote: > > Interesting note from a list reader... > > > > BTW David, IBM Main list membership is free. The only membership > requirement > > is to be interested in the list. > > > > Don > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: david kramf [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 4:56 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: mainframe "selling" points > > > > Hi Don, > > > > My name is David Kramf .I picked your name as one of the participants > to > > this conversation that on the IBM mailing list digest. Hope I am not > > intruding. > > > > I am a very experienced MF developer . I quit my job several months > ago to > > do more interesting stuff and trying to develop on my own. This is > > impossible to do on the MF > > platform because the MF is not accessible . You need to invest about > 5K to > > 10K just to to have it (legally ) on your personal pc based, and > there is > > no freely, updated and convenient > > system where you can buy your virtual server at a reasonable price. ( > I pay > > 20 dollars a month for a linux VS. This is a reasonable price ). So I > > migrated myself to other platforms > > (OS X , LINUX , RUBY ) where you can easily get access to development > > platforms and can later distribute your product. > > If IBM won't make an effort to open the MF platform for the huge > multitude > > of developers working and developing around the world on LINUX , > > smartphones , and tablets , then the MF is > > doomed. > > > > Thank You very much for reading , and I will be much obliged if you > send > > this message to the mailing list ( I am not a member myself ). > > David Kramf > > Tel-Aviv , ISRAEL = > > > > > > On 01/30/2013 11:56 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: > >> A couple points (and not new ones, but I guess they need repeating): > >> > >> 1. You don't need a zPDT, RUTz, or zEnterprise machine to develop > and test > >> for z/OS and its middleware. In fact, in many cases you don't need > to pay > >> even one dollar. IBM's PartnerWorld Validation Program for z/OS is > one > >> notable example: > >> > >> https://www- > 304.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/stg_com_agr_zos > >> > >> That's a real zEnterprise machine located in Dallas, as it happens. > Free is > >> a rather good price! > >> > >> Here's some more information: > >> > >> https://www- > 304.ibm.com/partnerworld/wps/servlet/ContentHandler/isv_com_tsp_iic_res > ources_systemz_remote_offerings > >> > >> ... > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------ > >> Timothy Sipples > Both of the alternatives Timothy mentions require a company with IBM > PartnerWorld membership. I may be misinterpreting the PartnerWorld > requirements, but my impression was that you had to "be" an software > vendor/developer to apply, not just be exploring whether you could > develop the capability for z/OS application development to become a > z/OS > vendor/developer. Assuming that it would be possible for a small, > not-yet-established startup company to apply, the free Validation > Program is for a limited time (60 days), and although re-application > sounds possible, it also reads like acceptance is not guaranteed, and > that this is intended for development. The "Remote Offerings" option > is > not free but based on CP and storage resource usage, with a minimal > usage level and minimum monthly charge of $550/month, which obviously > doesn't compare very favorably with the $20/month quoted cost of a > Linux > VM development platform. > > I think the point made by David Kramf is well taken: that if you have > a > sound concept for an application and are exploring starting out on your > own into application development, the more-than-an-order-of-magnitude > increase in up-front investment required to develop for the z/OS > platform versus Linux is a serious impediment to choosing z/OS as a > platform, even if you already have a z/OS skill set. One can perhaps > make a valid argument that this guarantees that companies marketing > z/OS > software must have a certain minimal size and capability for product > support that is appropriate to a platform where RAS is of such great > importance, but it also guarantees that most potential developers and > start-up software companies will choose alternative platforms. > > -- > Joel C. Ewing, Bentonville, AR [email protected] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
