Community servers are low to no priority. Doesn't matter what you think. Vanilla valve servers matter the most.
If you don't believe me, find a valve representative and quote them saying we care about your servers or anything close to that. Updates keep the game alive. I'm glad that the quickly update killed off smaller 'communities' because it has focused more attention on actual larger tf2 communities with a purpose - the last of a dying breed. I'm almost about done with tf2 servers and moving on to CS:GO as valve doesn't give a shit about the horrible quickplay mistake they made. Anywho, updates keep the game alive! Please don't vent on the mailing list - Valve doesn't read it. They only read the forums where countless 'free to play' players bitch about issues. 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Re: Optional TF2 dedicated server update released (Albert Davis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:52:50 -0500 From: Albert Davis <[email protected]> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 dedicated server update released Message-ID: <CAHJ7=+ETh96s=7ThJj53WFQazN1dB8rwL90OOudqCT=ud4q...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Can't you guys just STOP with all these updates? It's getting ridiculous. You are ruining the game. What's even worse, is that shit tons of people paid for this game originally, you then make itf F2P, and just keep killing it more week by week with these silly updates. Fix broken stuff, sure, but adding all these additional stuff, it's just....ugh On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:21 PM, 1nsane <[email protected]> wrote: > And when quickplay doesn't find any valve servers it just tells players to > try again later. Nothing about using the server browser or community > quickplay. > > Seems they would rather have new players not play at all than play on > community servers. > > Would be nice if they edited that message. Eh valve? Please? Pretty > please? :D > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 6:13 PM, wickedplayer494 <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> If Valve wanted to do that, they'd just outright say "yeah hey we're >> done with this game, see ya" and/or shut off all their servers leaving only >> community ones running. >> >> >> On 12/9/2014 5:09 PM, Paul wrote: >> >> A wild theory, but erhaps Valve are intentionally wanting players to >> slowly lose interest in Team Fortress 2 for some reason? >> >> On 9 December 2014 at 23:01, Robert Paulson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I would argue that it is related to third party dedicated servers. >>> >>> The people left in charge of TF2 have been out of touch with players >>> for a while and only now is it becoming more obvious. We face the brunt of >>> these bad policies because we don't have a stream of new mann co store >>> fodder from quickplay. A few years ago the thought of making a major patch >>> locked behind an uncraftable purchase would not even have crossed their >>> minds. >>> >>> Despite 3 major non-MvM patches, global player counts are again on >>> their way to declining back to beginning of the year levels. With the >>> amount of developer time spent on the game, TF2 should not be 1/5th the >>> size of CS. I've seen many quality servers die out this year. Custom >>> servers are also dying because new players aren't being exposed enough to >>> the fact that custom servers exist. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/hlds/attachments/20141210/0eac1c10/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:59:57 +0000 From: Anthony Duncan <[email protected]> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 dedicated server update released Message-ID: <cafu4rpwctrilyolnhrpx_xgzhdrfjx6zawmc+1erpp-ryyp...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" You could always 'not' play the game. Also not server related so you should probably use the community forums to vent instead. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Albert Davis <[email protected]> wrote: > Can't you guys just STOP with all these updates? It's getting ridiculous. > You are ruining the game. What's even worse, is that shit tons of people > paid for this game originally, you then make itf F2P, and just keep killing > it more week by week with these silly updates. Fix broken stuff, sure, but > adding all these additional stuff, it's just....ugh > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:21 PM, 1nsane <[email protected]> wrote: > >> And when quickplay doesn't find any valve servers it just tells players >> to try again later. Nothing about using the server browser or community >> quickplay. >> >> Seems they would rather have new players not play at all than play on >> community servers. >> >> Would be nice if they edited that message. Eh valve? Please? Pretty >> please? :D >> >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 6:13 PM, wickedplayer494 < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> If Valve wanted to do that, they'd just outright say "yeah hey we're >>> done with this game, see ya" and/or shut off all their servers leaving only >>> community ones running. >>> >>> >>> On 12/9/2014 5:09 PM, Paul wrote: >>> >>> A wild theory, but erhaps Valve are intentionally wanting players to >>> slowly lose interest in Team Fortress 2 for some reason? >>> >>> On 9 December 2014 at 23:01, Robert Paulson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I would argue that it is related to third party dedicated servers. >>>> >>>> The people left in charge of TF2 have been out of touch with players >>>> for a while and only now is it becoming more obvious. We face the brunt of >>>> these bad policies because we don't have a stream of new mann co store >>>> fodder from quickplay. A few years ago the thought of making a major patch >>>> locked behind an uncraftable purchase would not even have crossed their >>>> minds. >>>> >>>> Despite 3 major non-MvM patches, global player counts are again on >>>> their way to declining back to beginning of the year levels. With the >>>> amount of developer time spent on the game, TF2 should not be 1/5th the >>>> size of CS. I've seen many quality servers die out this year. Custom >>>> servers are also dying because new players aren't being exposed enough to >>>> the fact that custom servers exist. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/hlds/attachments/20141210/2b057614/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:21:03 -0500 From: Albert Davis <[email protected]> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 dedicated server update released Message-ID: <CAHJ7=+fokotoh+xfconvhqt4fe7g4whkpufc5y_-xawqnwk...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" It is server related since I run one, and I have played tf2 since the beginning. The constant updates breaking shit like SM and the like, it's getting rather tiresome. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Anthony Duncan <[email protected]> wrote: > You could always 'not' play the game. Also not server related so you > should probably use the community forums to vent instead. > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Albert Davis <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Can't you guys just STOP with all these updates? It's getting ridiculous. >> You are ruining the game. What's even worse, is that shit tons of people >> paid for this game originally, you then make itf F2P, and just keep killing >> it more week by week with these silly updates. Fix broken stuff, sure, but >> adding all these additional stuff, it's just....ugh >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:21 PM, 1nsane <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> And when quickplay doesn't find any valve servers it just tells players >>> to try again later. Nothing about using the server browser or community >>> quickplay. >>> >>> Seems they would rather have new players not play at all than play on >>> community servers. >>> >>> Would be nice if they edited that message. Eh valve? Please? Pretty >>> please? :D >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 6:13 PM, wickedplayer494 < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> If Valve wanted to do that, they'd just outright say "yeah hey we're >>>> done with this game, see ya" and/or shut off all their servers leaving only >>>> community ones running. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/9/2014 5:09 PM, Paul wrote: >>>> >>>> A wild theory, but erhaps Valve are intentionally wanting players to >>>> slowly lose interest in Team Fortress 2 for some reason? >>>> >>>> On 9 December 2014 at 23:01, Robert Paulson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would argue that it is related to third party dedicated servers. >>>>> >>>>> The people left in charge of TF2 have been out of touch with players >>>>> for a while and only now is it becoming more obvious. We face the brunt of >>>>> these bad policies because we don't have a stream of new mann co store >>>>> fodder from quickplay. A few years ago the thought of making a major patch >>>>> locked behind an uncraftable purchase would not even have crossed their >>>>> minds. >>>>> >>>>> Despite 3 major non-MvM patches, global player counts are again on >>>>> their way to declining back to beginning of the year levels. With the >>>>> amount of developer time spent on the game, TF2 should not be 1/5th the >>>>> size of CS. I've seen many quality servers die out this year. Custom >>>>> servers are also dying because new players aren't being exposed enough to >>>>> the fact that custom servers exist. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit:https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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