Most consumer-grade DSL/Internet hardware "routers" with built-in 
firewalls and "DDoS" protection with fuck with the server browser, as 
the connection literally gets flooded with responses. As for servers 
being blacklisted on a community-based "database", I'd had to be the one 
yelling "told you so".

On 5/02/2010 8:49 AM, Cc2iscooL wrote:
> Hmm, you're right. I just saw it.
>
> Started at about ~28.
>
> Refreshed twice, 30-38
>
> Refreshed again, 48.
>
> Again, 60.
>
> Again, 10.
>
> Interesting.
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, DontWannaName!<[email protected]>wrote:
>
>    
>> Try again later. Its sporadic.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:35 PM, adam spurgin<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> like i posted above, i'm also getting around 180. my server doesn't want
>>>        
>> to
>>      
>>> show up, but it hasn't been up for very long.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:31 PM, DontWannaName!<[email protected]
>>>        
>>>> wrote:
>>>>          
>>>        
>>>> I am getting 180 now too, as I said it comes and goes and it isnt like
>>>>          
>>> when
>>>        
>>>> you refresh the list a bunch of times and see different servers every
>>>>          
>>> time.
>>>        
>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Cc2iscooL<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> I'm getting ~186 per refresh. Are you sure your internet at home
>>>>>            
>> isn't
>>      
>>>>> messing up?
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to have that issue when I had Steam set to a very high rate
>>>>>            
>> and
>>      
>>>> the
>>>>          
>>>>> modem/router couldn't handle the traffic of a mass burst. Now that
>>>>>            
>> I've
>>      
>>>>> upgraded to a decent router and bridged the modem I no longer have
>>>>>            
>> that
>>      
>>>>> issue, but you could try setting your Steam to 56k and see what
>>>>>            
>>> happens.
>>>        
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Violent Crimes<
>>>>> [email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>>>> That one burns more then it did after I had sex with that tranny
>>>>>> prostitute named Joe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/4/2010 7:02 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>> DontWannaName,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is 68.68.32.217:27015 is one of your servers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nslookup 68.68.32.217
>>>>>>> Server:  home
>>>>>>> Address:  192.168.1.254
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Name:    TopNotchClan.com
>>>>>>> Address:  68.68.32.217
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I dont know why people think I run fake clients"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The output of "meta list" on your server seems to declare
>>>>>>>                
>>> otherwise.
>>>        
>>>>>>> I included the status to show it's your server (and included a
>>>>>>>                
>>>>>> screenshot). So this statement you just made to the list is
>>>>>>              
>>> verifiably
>>>        
>>>>>> false.
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>> hostname:   (-TN-) 24/7 BADWATER/GOLDRUSH [HLSTATSX]
>>>>>>> version : 1.0.8.2/15 4105 secure
>>>>>>> udp/ip  :  68.68.32.217:27015
>>>>>>> map     : pl_goldrush at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z
>>>>>>> players : 23 (32 max)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state
>>>>>>> # 656 "Mace" STEAM_0:1:17067890 04:47 104 0 active
>>>>>>> # 652 "(604) EmpTy.ws" STEAM_0:0:14413027 08:11 71 0 active
>>>>>>> # 640 "Emperor Norton" STEAM_0:0:18677953 23:31 55 0 active
>>>>>>> # 619 "Hamburglar" STEAM_0:0:24508093  1:13:16 46 0 active
>>>>>>> # 644 "(-TN-) duncan db" STEAM_0:0:6646078 14:54 52 0 active
>>>>>>> # 657 "Adiuvo" STEAM_0:0:24559447 04:28 52 0 active
>>>>>>> # 621 "prophet /̵͇̿/'̿-̅-" STEAM_0:1:346214  1:04:04 48 0 active
>>>>>>> # 622 "Necron99" STEAM_0:0:11138643  1:02:51 69 0 active
>>>>>>> # 630 "a# - Auburn" STEAM_0:0:19899268 42:10 92 0 active
>>>>>>> # 654 "Do Not Feed The Trolls" STEAM_0:0:25091821 06:23 142 0
>>>>>>>                
>>> active
>>>        
>>>>>>> # 655 "Graham" STEAM_0:0:1264864 05:10 49 0 active
>>>>>>> # 632 "Harusame Mizukishi" STEAM_0:1:27360078 39:36 78 0 active
>>>>>>> # 633 "(-TN-) the stig" STEAM_0:1:10849346 37:29 67 0 active
>>>>>>> # 642 "Stig-a-holic" STEAM_0:1:5511593 22:15 81 0 active
>>>>>>> # 647 "JOEx213" STEAM_0:0:15905280 13:27 58 0 active
>>>>>>> # 658 "Spicychicken" STEAM_0:1:6391583 02:40 79 0 active
>>>>>>> # 649 "The Turbinator" STEAM_0:1:18998315 12:25 247 0 active
>>>>>>> # 650 "spasm" STEAM_0:0:27043313 12:10 87 0 active
>>>>>>> # 651 ".Monkey" STEAM_0:1:20832704 11:57 175 0 active
>>>>>>> # 659 "Boni" STEAM_0:0:17026514 01:47 152 0 active
>>>>>>> # 660 "pisssant" STEAM_0:0:298430 00:51 73 0 active
>>>>>>> Mace killed (604) EmpTy.ws with sniperrifle. (crit)
>>>>>>> ] meta list
>>>>>>>     [01] FAKE CLIENTS Plugin (1.0.0.0) by AzuiSleet
>>>>>>>     [02] D-FENS (1.1) by Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald
>>>>>>>     [03] SourceMod (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC
>>>>>>>     [04] TF2 Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC
>>>>>>>     [05] BinTools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC
>>>>>>>     [06] SDK Tools (1.4.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Screenshot in case the list screws this up:
>>>>>>>                
>>>>>> http://www.voogru.com/images/fakeclients.jpg
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>> So yeah, I think this rules out the angry player scenario.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DontWannaName, we weren't born yesterday. So please don't insult
>>>>>>>                
>>> the
>>>        
>>>>>> intelligence of the people on the list by lying to them when you
>>>>>>              
>> are
>>      
>>>>> having
>>>>>            
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>> Lying to players (via fakeclients) is a dumb idea, lying to a
>>>>>>>                
>> bunch
>>      
>>>> of
>>>>          
>>>>>> experienced server operators is a really dumb idea.
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>> - voogru
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:
>>>>>>>                
>>>>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of DontWannaName!
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:23 PM
>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously
>>>>>>>                
>>> Delisted
>>>        
>>>>>>> I dont know why people think I run fake clients, those black
>>>>>>>                
>> lists
>>      
>>>> are
>>>>          
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>> unconfirmed and could have been added by some angry player which
>>>>>>>                
>> is
>>      
>>>> why
>>>>          
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>> are flawed. Whether my server use has decreased or not, servers
>>>>>>>                
>> are
>>      
>>>> not
>>>>          
>>>>>>> showing on the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is uncofirmed if this could be an issue with Valve's master
>>>>>>>                
>>> server
>>>        
>>>>>> itself
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>> but I have my doubts a bug would occur there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a screenshot just a few seconds ago. I have selected US
>>>>>>>                
>>> West
>>>        
>>>> as
>>>>          
>>>>>>> location and not password protected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                
>> http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h309/DontWannaName123/bug-3.png
>>      
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Don Williams<[email protected]>
>>>>>>>                
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>          
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>> I see 2 of my 3 servers in that list.. I've noticed too the same
>>>>>>>>                  
>>>> thing
>>>>          
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>> my other server.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kyle
>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>> Sanderson
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:46 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] West Coast TF2 Servers Being Maliciously
>>>>>>>>                  
>>>> Delisted
>>>>          
>>>>>>>> It wouldn't take much to delist every single West Coast server,
>>>>>>>>                  
>>> I'm
>>>        
>>>>> sure
>>>>>            
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>> would be more than possible to do it with a simple 10mbit box.
>>>>>>>>                  
>> For
>>      
>>>>>> instance
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>> at one point I was able to view my server in the server browser
>>>>>>>>                  
>>> just
>>>        
>>>>>> fine,
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>> now my test server is well... Unknown to the masses, than again
>>>>>>>>                  
>>> this
>>>        
>>>>>> only
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>> started happening a couple weeks ago. I just checked now and I
>>>>>>>>                  
>>> still
>>>        
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>> see it. This is however most likely unrelated to your issue DWN.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My steam server list:
>>>>>>>> http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5486/listf.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kyle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:33 PM, DontWannaName!
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>> That is completely different. This has been going on for a
>>>>>>>>>                    
>> month
>>      
>>>> now.
>>>>          
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Craig H<[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>> I almost forgot! Valve is going to be performing maintenance
>>>>>>>>>>                      
>> on
>>      
>>>>> Steam
>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>> whole today, seeing as Valve is on the west coast, they are
>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>> probably
>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>> starting there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:25 PM, DontWannaName!<
>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>> I am positive, there are barely any servers on the west
>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>> coast.
>>      
>>>> The
>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>> heartbeat
>>>>>>>>>>> is a work around but whoever is doing it, is sending the
>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>> packets
>>>        
>>>> so
>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>> fast
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>> that its almost impossible to combat it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Craig H<[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>> It would take an extremely large and organized group of
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>> individuals
>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually do what you are claiming. Are you certain that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>> are
>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>>>> blacklisted? You may just be having problems with your
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>> connection
>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>>> master servers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:13 PM, DontWannaName!<
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems that someone, not valve, is delisting most of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>> west
>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>> coast
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it so our servers do not show in any list except in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>> favorites.
>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>>>>>>> severely hurting our population and forcing users to find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>> servers
>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whoever is doing this doesnt want people joining servers on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>> the
>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>> west
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>>> coast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For whatever real reason they are doing it, in the end
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>> Valve
>>      
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>> fix
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this. This has been going on for at least a month now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>> by
>>      
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                            
>>>>>>>>> posting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                        
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope to reach more affected server owns.
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