Hello Maniero,
I understand you. I had (and have) the same difficulties you have.
Documentation is something difficult to do and the developers are too busy
fixing and tunning up Harbour. This is a very good quality job they are doing.
Do not give up! Soon you will be able to compile and test every example and
maybe help to find some bugs (and solutions) to make Harbour even better.
I am trying to develop a small ERP but I take a long time for anything
because of two main reasons: 1) I am too purist and want to do something very
good but simple for the end-user and 2) I do not have time... (this is the main
problem and I belive is the main problem of most developers).
Regards,
Qatan
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Maniero
To: Harbour Project Main Developer List.
Sent: Wednesday, 7 de April de 2010 11:02
Subject: Re: [Harbour] Introducing myself
Hi Qatan
I got compiled last night. There are so many detais, finnaly I got. Lack of
documentation is really a big problem. I did search for whole list to found my
answers.
I still trying to compile several components and examples without success but
I will try harder before post my doubts here.
[]´s Maniero
2010/4/7 Qatan <[email protected]>
Antonio,
I had problems building HBIDE in the past and I understand you.
My main problem was configuring the enviroment. I assume that you have
already downloaded the right tools from the right places and have QT, MingW and
of course, Harbour with contribs (HBIDE).
I hope the way I do is correct (please anyone correct me if wrong).
Follows how it is configured in my computer with Windows XP Home. It
works for me:
<AUTOEXEC.NT>
@cls
set PATH=%PATH%;c:\x\bin;c:\x\bin\ng;
set PATH=%PATH%;c:\x\upx;
set PATH=%PATH%;C:\x\QT\4.5.3\bin;
set PATH=%PATH%;C:\x\mgw\bin;
set PATH=%PATH%;C:\x\hb\bin;
set HB_BUILD_UNICODE=yes
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I have a BATCH file that builds Harbour from SVN: (I build it in this
folder: C:\x\hb\ )
<CREATE.NT>
@cls
set HB_WITH_QT=C:\x\QT\4.5.3\include
set HB_QT_STATIC=yes
set HB_INSTALL_PREFIX=C:\x\hb
set HB_BUILD_IMPLIB=yes
echo:
echo Cleanning...
echo:
CD \x\svn
mingw32-make clean
echo:
echo Clean OK!
echo:
echo Start building libs (Press ctrl-C to stop now)...
echo:
pause >>NUL:
mingw32-make install
echo:
echo Done!
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To build HBIDE I just point the prompt to HBIDE folder under CONTRIB
and fire a simple "hbmk2 hbide.hbp" as stated by Pritpal Bedi.
I recommend you to read the INSTALL file that comes with HARBOUR
carefully because there you find valuable and important details to build and
use Harbour successfully.
I use MingW from TDM. I've compiled HBIDE and it is an impressive work
by Pritpal Bedi. I am creating a small program (CUI mode) using GTWVT and when
I finish it I will try to port it to *nix.
PC is Przemyslaw Czerpak but I think you can just say Przemek since he
signs down his name this way and seems to be much easier for non Slavic
speakers.
I hope it helps you a bit.
Regards,
Qatan
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Maniero
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 de April de 2010 12:08
Subject: [Harbour] Introducing myself
Hello everybody
First of all I really sorry by my bad and poor English. I made my best.
I am a software developer for 26 years working with several programming
languages mostly building Line Of Business applications in Brazil.
I worked with Clipper since Clipper exists. I used the first copy sold in
Brazil by Softcorp (succeeded by Officer and after Nantucket Brasil and CA
Brasil). I worked on a company (one of the major business software companies in
the world) that was practically the only VO beta tester in Brazil. It's a shame
a good idea turns trash :-) As 1996 on internet era I change my career and
dropped Clipper in favor of other solutions. Now I am back to LOB applications
with total freedom to choose my way. I decided modernize my old Clipper
applications "porting" to Harbour. I was a big lover of Clipper, specially 5.2
and I had supported the way Nantucket did think Clipper evolution and some
aspects of Visual Objects developed by CA. I liked to see Clipper near to
syntax and some semantics of C. Yes, I am not a typical Clipper developer. I
think dBase style is a bad thing although is a necessary evil to carry.
I want fix some errors and bad style which I made on 80's and use
improved features available on Harbour. I need rewrite my C functions, throw
away some, rethink about UI (console to GUI) and databases (transition from DBF
to MySQL and others RDBMS).
I think harbor 2.0 is a wonderful piece of software. It's not perfect
because the heavy legacy to honor. I like the design of a clean core with
extensions. I want publicly prize Viktor and PC (I can´t write his name :-) ).
I agree with most of their decisions and I strongly appreciate their work. Ok,
now I can criticize some points without fear :-) I want to see Harbour moving
forward, not in xHarbour style, but in smart Harbour style. In Brazil we have a
popular expression: The hasty eating raw :-)
I want to make it clear: I want help Harbour development. Now I can
mainly give my opinions, try to influence some decisions, suggest enhancements,
report bugs. I need to get experience with C99 and GCC. My C experience is
about MS-C 5.0 (I give you a candy if you know why :-) ). I need to get time to
help with code. I will try to contribute with some thing later.
I can't help too much with documentation, IMHO the biggest Harbour need,
because my bad English. I am improving Wikipedia's article now. I invite you to
contribute too. It's an initial work. I will contribute more on Portuguese
article. I am writing about Harbour on a variety of articles (xBase,
programming languages comparison, etc). See my contribs logged as bigown.
Please, feel free to add new information or edit and delete wrong or bad text.
I am reviewing text bring from xHarbour. It's a good way to learn more about
Harbour. Viktor, I think now the article is very bad, but not a shame anymore
;-)
In the next days I will try reply some old messages with my opinions.
I would like help with HBIDE but I have a very different programming
style and my major problem as developer is difficulty of adaptation on other
style. Totally my fault. Anyway I would like to see HBIDE evolution mainly in
code editor and debugger. In fact I hope to get HBIDE compiled. Four days
trying and nothing :-) But I can't get any application using Qt or MySQL
compiled. Maybe my Harbour build is wrong. I still trying.
Well, I have to learn a lot about Harbour, try it on Linux and I hope PC
(druzus) can get some time to answer some doubts about PP. I have special
interest about it because I am thinking to write a transformation software to
change my legacy code. I love Clipper/Harbour PP and I abuse it, but I know
what I am doing.
Now I have a lot of work to do.
Thanks to everyone efforts. Harbour community need to be more active to
"sell" Harbour on the web. IMHO most xBase programmer is individualist too
much, including. I hope change this.
Feel free to write me in private when the list is not adequate place.
[]'s
Antonio Maniero
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