Hello, swedebugia <swedebu...@riseup.net> writes:
> On 2019-01-17 12:10, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: >> >> L p R n d n <g...@lprndn.info> writes: >> >>> Guix is ... >>> >>> ... a package and system manager. (A seen previously, system manager is >>> too wide) >>> ... a package manager and machine administrator. >>> ... a package and machine administrator. >>> ... a package and environment manager. >>> >>> WDYT? If anyone has an idea, don't be shy :) >> >> “administrator” is generally understood to be a person (as in “system >> administrator”). “environment manager” is just as vague as “system >> manager”, in my opinion — “everything is the environment!”. It only >> makes sense to people who are already familiar with the term >> “environment” in a computing context. >> >> That’s the advantage the word “package manager” has — it’s already a >> well-established term, for better or worse. >> >>> I'd like to keep the "package manager" part as it'll probably ring a >>> bell to any linux user and helps understand the not so familiar part >>> (system/environment dealing). >> >> Right, that’s what I meant. >> We are underselling Guix, though, if we keep referring to it as a >> “package manager”, because people’s familiarity with other package >> managers may make them think in smaller terms. >> >> FWIW, I’m with Ludo here with regards to “Guix” as the “single brand”. >> I disagree with this part that George wrote: >> >>> "Guix System" is a "bad" name for "GuixSD." Why? Because a new user's >>> first expectation is for "Guix system" to refer to the whole of Guix, >>> which we want to call "Guix" (referred to as "Guix Brand" below). >> >> In my experience “… system” is not generally used to describe a tool’s >> full set of features. I think “Guix System” is just the right term for >> everything that Guix generates or operates on with the “guix system” set >> of commands. “GuixOS” is, in my opinion, a pretty terrible name (I’m >> also not a fan of all the other “…OS” names out there) and it needlessly >> keeps the confusion between “Guix, the tool” and “Guix, the system” >> alive. > > Interesting. > > So if we go with "Guix System" would the following sentences be meaningful? > > "Is your operating system running Guix?" (ambiguous) > > "Which operating system do you use? Guix System." > "Are you on Guix System?" > "Which version of Guix System are you using?" (we should really have something > like lsb_release -a output this term) > "How did you install your Guix System?" > "Can I dual-boot Guix System and Parabola GNU/Linux?" > > "A: My Guix System runs Linux. B: Oh, I use the Hurd on mine!" I like this. I would go a little further in terms of branding. If we go with this, I think speaking of "a Guix system" instead of "the Guix System" (if it's a noun, it's a brand so we would end up with the same problem that we have with GuixSD). "a Guix system" aknowledge the fact that Guix is almost a "system builder" (VMs, containers, computers, clusters?). I know Ludovic wasn't fond of "system" but we could replace the word with anything else if someone find something more appropriate. Plus, I had sone thoughts about how Guix doesn't fit really well within the usual "linux distribution" definition. (I think it's unfortunately disadvantaging Guix in reviews, for example.) I find that speaking of Guix in those terms, even if it doesn't explain anything, at least gives some hints. I mean, at some point, changing of channel can almost be like changing distro... > "I love the R.M. Stallman picture that is on my Guix System during boot!" :D > (https://wallup.net/wallpapers/richard-stallman/) > > "My Guix System performs really well" > "Since I switched my operating system to Guix System I have not looked back" > "I love my Guix System!" > "Guix helps me get things done instead of losing myself in the details of > dependencies and stuff when coding" > "Guix makes it easy for me to sandbox my browser so I can surf without > worrying > too much" > "Guix System boots a little slower than XX but it is worth the wait!" > "I really like the roll-back provided by Guix System when I end up in a broken > state" (geek version) > "I really like the roll-back provided by Guix System when my pc won't boot and > just goes black so I can't use the mouse or log in." (non-geek version) > "I recommend Guix System because it makes it easy to copy your friends OS > setup > so that you can get to all the fun parts quickly without worrying about > installing this or that - everything is there out-of-the-box!". > > If not please comment. Have a nice day, Lprndn
