On 2019-01-16 16:31, George Clemmer wrote: > Hi Lprndn, > > I am glad to see your interest in these issues. > > Ludovic Courtès <l...@gnu.org> writes: > >> Hi, >> >> L p R n d n <g...@lprndn.info> skribis: >> >>> Ludovic Courtès <l...@gnu.org> writes: >> >> [...] >> >>>> A very concrete task that could be of interest to you is the “name >>>> change” (a bit of a strong word) that we’d like to implement by 1.0. >>>> I’ll try to summarize. Currently we have “Guix” and “GuixSD”, and that >>>> confuses things: people visit the web site, they see a “GuixSD” logo and >>>> get confused because they were just looking for a package manager, not a >>>> whole distro, or they think “GuixSD” is a storage device ;-), things >>>> like that. >>>> >>>> The idea is to bring everything under the “Guix” name. Most of the >>>> time, writing “Guix” is good enough—after all, one can run ‘guix system’ >>>> on a foreign distro, too. When we really need to make the distinction, >>>> for instance in the manual, we would write “Guix System” to designate >>>> what we currently call “GuixSD”. >>> >>> Hum. It might just be as easy as getting rid of the GuixSD logo and >>> wording for the most part. Then we can find a *preferred* way to >>> designate GuixSD (a Guix system (probably), Guix distro, Guix os).Here, >>> it's more about making GuixSD "disappear" but we could also just rebrand >>> GuixSD with some kind of "subtitle": "Guix, the system", derive a logo >>> from the Guix's one. It depends a lot from what we want to put under >>> the spotlight. >> >> The idea is more to have a single “brand”: Guix. > > Yes a single brand is the way to go. But, piecemeal changes to the web > site are unlikely to get us there unless we work from a unified "Guix > Brand" product description. E.g., earlier I proposed ... > > "'Guix' is a software environment manager that creates user environments > that are completely and independently specified by users. Guix users are > never stuck needing software that a Sysadmin can't, won't, or hasn't > installed. A Guix user can run multiple, differing environments > simultaneously and can replicate any environment on any Guix run-time > platform. Guix provides system-wide environment management when > appropriate to the run-time platform. Creation, modification, and > upgrade are atomic and roll-back is instantaneous, so Guix users and > sysadmins are never stuck with a broken user environment or system. > Guix implements a functional specification of package, user, and system > configurations using the Scheme language. Guix complies with the FSF > Four Essential Freedoms and Free System Distribution Guidelines and > provides easy and immediate access to the exact source being run. By > default, Guix uses pre-built package substitutes from the Guix build > farm and mirrors but users may build any package, or a complete system, > from package developer sources."[1] > >> Then “Guix System” would be a component of Guix, so to speak, similar >> to GNOME and its applications. > > "Guix System" is a "bad" name for "GuixSD." Why? Because a new user's > first expectation is for "Guix system" to refer to the whole of Guix, > which we want to call "Guix" (referred to as "Guix Brand" below). > > But if we call GuixSD the "Guix System", we create a counter-intuitive > thing to explain. E.g., we will be saying, "Our GNU/Linux System > Distribution, 'Guix System' is just one of multiple ways to use 'Guix > Brand', which includes the Guix package manager, for which we also use > the 'Guix Brand' label. > > Another "bad" thing about calling it "Guix system" is that when a user > searches "guix system" they hit the 'guix system' "Guix Brand" package > manager' command that, BTW, also generates "Guix VMs". > > It will simplify our work if we present GuixSD as simply one of several > Guix download/deployment options. E.g., earlier I suggested ... > > "Guix is available on multiple run-time platforms including bare metal > (GuixSD), Virtual Machines (QEMU image), and any GNU/Linux distro (Guix > Binary).[1]" > > With this approach, we only need a distinctive label for GuixSD that > doesn't puzzle users to produce reliable search hits on the relevant > parts of our message and documentation. E.g., GuixOS. > > HTH - George > > [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-01/msg00444.html
+1 Nice work George. GuixOS gives us the advantage of OS already being known as a complete useful separate thing to boot and install (e.g. NixOS, ReactOS, Chrome OS, iOS, etc.) Guix is now an octopus with many arms :) -- Cheers Swedebugia
