On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:40 PM, R Kent James <k...@caspia.com> wrote:
> On 6/9/2015 3:23 PM, Majken Connor wrote: > > the play on the F*bomb is definitely there >> > > but it did not have to be. This is just a sign of immature marketing by > Firefox, and frankly its embarrassing. > > It's considered cool these days I suppose to not be offended by the f word > but people such as me still find it jarring when we read or hear it (as I > frequently do in posts by Mozilla staff). Firefox marketing is either > culturally ignorant that such people exist, or doesn't care because that > group is not the "cool" people they are trying to appeal to. > > F*** is still a first-class swear word so that even oblique references to > it are jarring, such as in the Fox Yeah slogan. This is my personal > reaction so it is a fact, but you can still argue that I am in a tiny > minority. > > >> Also, it's impossible to please ALL of the users >> > > You would not be saying this if the slogan was offensive to some group > that is currently classified as "VERY uncool to offend" such as gays or > women. Yes I would, because it's true. It's a false argument. Our last controversy was a master class in that. Look back to the discussions on creating a code of conduct (which resulted in the community guidelines. The one fact that seems to be true is that no matter which line you choose, *someone* will get upset. > I got blasted for a post titled "Real Men do Release Engineering" which I > suppose in retrospect pushes all the wrong buttons in Mozilla culture and > was a poor choice, when I was just trying to thank a critical contributor. > There is a different standard that applies to unnecessary offense than > applies, say, to removing a rarely used feature, where your statement would > be appropriate. > > Firefox in particular and Mozilla in general are struggling to re-discover > how to sit at the cool kids table again. Yet there are so many little > incidents like this that show they have not found the path. I don't claim > to know that path, and I wish them well that they re-discover the path to > an effective message. But I'm just adding my minority report here that this > logo is, IMHO, not the right path. > > :rkent > > > _______________________________________________ > governance mailing list > governance@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > _______________________________________________ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
