On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Yvan Boily <ybo...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> I received a message off list responding to my comments. Rather than > duplicating a message intended off-list (ironically referencing the need to > avoid private discussions :D), I will summarize the points and address them. > > 1. irc logging is not collecting the data of users > 2. the goal is to archive public discussions that take place between paid > and non-paid contributors (like mailing lists) > > WRT to 1) - I basically flat out reject this argument. If you are logging > usernames and attributing them to messages, you are explicitly collecting > data about users. In addition, some users will reveal information about > themselves on IRC that may constitute PII and would not want that going > into a public archive. > We are not talking about collecting data of users here we are talking > about having a way to archive publicly discussions that take place in our > project between paid and non-paid contributors. Much like we make public > and archive our discussions on mailing lists. > > Importantly, many people on irc use the same handle on irc that they use > on other social media networks, and their irc or other social media > interactions could be used to unmask them. Just because someone *can* > aggregate and publish data about users doesn't mean that we *should* do it. > > WRT to 2) Yes, it could be advantageous to capture some of these > discussions. I have, on more than one occasion, copied and pasted an irc > chat into a text file when it contains a relevant topic I aim to learn > about later. But on the whole, I think it is important to balance things; > some discussions and decisions are made on IRC, but more frequently they > happen on mailing lists or in meetings. Knowledge transfer happens via > IRC, but would an irc chat with someone about wrappers > <http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/search?query=wrappers> really bring > more value than a link to this blog post > <http://blog.mozilla.org/gabor/2012/12/13/security-wrappers-and-add-on-development/> > or this MDN article > <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/XPCOM/Language_bindings/XPConnect/XPConnect_wrappers> > ? > > We need to be open, and transparent, but not at the expense of the freedom > to participate in "water cooler" chat on IRC that would be inhibited by the > knowledge that everything not marked as private or secret is published. > > This feels like a cheap way to create the appearance of transparency and > accountability without actually improving things. > Can I ask if you think mailing lists should be private? _______________________________________________ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
