On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Yvan Boily <ybo...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Benjamin Kerensa <bkere...@mozillausa.org > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Gavin Sharp <ga...@gavinsharp.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I should perhaps clarify, though, that I don't really think there's a >>> need for a project-wide policy to enforce that channels must be >>> logged, and that's probably what Yvan is reacting strongly to. Most of >>> the important public IRC channels are already being publicly logged, >>> as mentioned, and where they aren't it's easy enough to reach out to >>> the channel owner and change that. >>> >> >> Right and my proposal is to have global policy including which channels >> must be exempt due to sensitive discussions (I can think of a handful >> myself) and then create a process for starting logging and opting out of >> channel logging by a channel owner. >> > > Requiring channel owners to opt out of public logging to a Mozilla > resources on behalf of their users (imo) is not consistent with the > published data privacy principles > <https://blog.mozilla.org/privacy/2014/11/11/mozillas-data-privacy-principles-revisited/>. > Not the least of which is the No Suprises - many users would be surprised > to learn that after years of telling users "we don't log irc", we start > logging it and publishing it. > > I understand that users cannot control data that may be collected and > republished by individuals, but this discussion isn't about what *others* > are doing with data, it's about what Mozilla is doing with data. > That blog post was written within the scope of our products and end users not our project, tools or contributors. > > >> But having them hosted at something like irclogs.mozilla.org and >> searchable versus glob hosting them all makes more sense imho. >> >> At the end of the day thought I imagine unless someone disabled the >> default logging on the ircd that Mozilla technically already globally logs >> all user communications even though in private message. Whether they >> disabled it or not I am unsure and how long those logs are retained I am >> unsure and who has access I am unsure. >> >> Default Inspircd config has all user input/output logged by default: >> >> https://gitorious.org/inspircd/inspircd/source/911e33e3995509afa4cf3ea8fae0ddca2dad78dc:conf/inspircd.conf.example#L706 >> >> > It is my understanding that we retain only enough logs to satisfy > operational needs, although I can inquire with operations team if you would > like. > _______________________________________________ governance mailing list governance@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
