On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 02:03:17AM +0200, Jim wrote: > On 2014-05-27 08:34, Jonas Sicking wrote: > >On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Jim <jimtay...@openmailbox.org> wrote: > >>What are Mozilla going to do when some CDM innovations allows HTTP > >>requests > >>to be passed to the CDM and received and presented in the web browser? > >>This > >>will effectively add DRM to any web content. The EME solution requires > >>JS to > >>complete the player and this along with the DOM gives all the > >>flexibility to > >>implement this. Add a JS engine to the CDM and there goes even more of > >>the > >>web. Add HTML rendering support to the CDM and it's game over, and > >>Mozilla > >>are making it happen. > > > >Statements like this makes it quite clear that you aren't trying to > >have a constructive conversation. By now you should know that EME is > >not mozilla's design, nor are we "making it happen". > > Great, ignore all the technical challenges, accuse your opposition of not > engaging in a 'constructive conversation', and deny the facts. > > The facts are: > > * Mozilla is a paying member of the W3C publishing the EME specification. > > * Mozilla has a representative on the working group developing the EME. > > * Mozilla has a representative on the high level W3C Technical Architecture > Group who considered the EME. > > * Mozilla have formally supported EME all the way in formal W3C decisions. > > * Mozilla have made no objections with any standing to the EME at the W3C.
its already been explained a number of times why the W3C is the wrong place to fight, but here it is again. IE / Chrome / Safari are clearly going to ship EME implementations whatever happens at the W3C. > * Mozilla did not speak out when the W3C started joking about assassinating > EME dissenters. > > * The W3C is controlled by MIT. Only MIT members can be appointed as the W3C > directors and the W3C director has the final say. The current W3C director's > statements are very supportive of the EME and DRM, yet he claims to champion > the web-web-want[sic]. > > * Mozilla has recently appointed a new director with close ties to MIT who > also claims to be supportive of the open web. > > * Mozilla have pre-announced their implementation of the EME. > > * Mozilla have partnered with Adobe to promote Adobe's EME-CDM. > > * The Adobe's-CDM-in-Mozilla's-sandbox solution has not been defended as > robust, and is not supported by any content owners or distributors. There is > good reason to believe it will not be widely accepted by content owners. So you think Adobe is in this because they want to be charitable by giving out DRM software nobody will use? If you believe that I have some very high quality bridges I think you might be interested in. > * Mozilla have refused to address questions about what they will do if their > sandbox/CDM is not widely accepted? It's a slippery slope and Mozilla have > not drawn a line and we see where this is going. > > >If you want to suggest changes to EME, please make concrete proposals. > >We definitely share your goal of not wanting DRM to spread to other > >parts of the web stack, so any proposals towards that goal will > >definitely be listened to. Whining will, however, not be. > > * Mozilla have refused to engage in constructive discussion of EME > alternatives! No, people have explained why those alternatives are no better. It seems to me if you decide that you are going to keep Netflix working without Silverlight then you have to add something to the web that allows DRM. Whatever you add to the web to support DRM will practically only be useful for DRM because everything else people want in a media API is already available. So if you want Netflix to keep working you can either accept EME or you can try to put more lipstick on the pig, but it'll still be a pig. Trev > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > governance mailing list > governance@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
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