On Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:58:54 AM UTC+8, Jim wrote: > > Hello Rafa, I have been watching this thread wondering if you might chime > in :-) > > This has been hashed over here many times before. > > It seems that some people want "Infrastructure as a Service" and they > don't put much value on the "Platform as a Service" architecture that > Google has created here. Many of them also seem to not place any value on > their own time, or the time of their Systems Engineering function, or on > the opportunity cost of the time spent setting up servers and routers and > load balancers, etc etc etc. Those people should probably go rent a > virtual Linux box or two and setup stacks to their hearts content. >
If you can provide the details of the cost you mentioned, it will be more persuasive, otherwise it looks like an excuse. Personally, I don't think what you mentioned will support a so high price than DigitialOcean. > > People who want to focus on building software functionality and want the > underlying platform stack to be a utility-like service probably like GAE. > > > > On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 9:01:52 PM UTC-6, Rafael Sanches wrote: >> >> Hi Barry, >> >> I wish what you are saying was correct. >> >> I run one of those big services that needed to scale. Unfortunately >> appengine price goes up as you scale. >> >> Unfortunately nobody can say that appengine makes sense price wise. It >> may make sense if it fits your taste and you like google tools. >> Price wise it's out of discussion, no matter how you put it. >> >> thanks >> rafa >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Barry Hunter <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Tapir <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:48:10 AM UTC+8, barryhunter wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Apples to Oranges. >>>>> >>>>> DigitalOcean to Compute Engine would be a fairer comparison. They are >>>>> both the same 'type' of product. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> AppEngine isn't a magic 'fit all' solution. Many types of applications >>>>> you could very definitly run (much) cheaper elsewhere (particularly ones >>>>> that are small enough to fit in a single VPS). >>>>> >>>>> But there certain types of applications that will be 'cheaper' on >>>>> AppEngine (particularly when consider AppEngine is managed hosting). >>>>> >>>> >>>> If the free quota provided by App Engine is not considered, I don't >>>> think there are any types will be cheaper in App Engine. >>>> >>> >>> Imagine if your application was big enough, that it needed say 150 VPS's >>> to run. >>> >>> Some of them running memcache, some running apache, some running >>> elasticsearch, some running couchdb, some running haproxy, some running >>> logging servers, some running management nodes. Warm redunacy servers. >>> >>> You could perhaps get that very cheap, but you would have to add the >>> cost of building the system to orcestrate all those 'servers'. Both >>> coding/developer time to right the tools. But also the system administrator >>> type to maintain and monitori all those systems. >>> >>> You could use services like RightScale etc, to manage all those servers. >>> But that adds another layer of fees and management. >>> >>> >>> The raw 'hosting' may be cheap, but it doesnt consider all the >>> management cost. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I admit DigitalOcean is an alternative to GCE. But standing at the >>>> position of Google, the comparison is not unfair. Google charges too >>>> many for a low cost. >>>> >>> >>> I'm not denying that AppEngine might be expensive, but you can't say >>> that by just comparing a few numbers for a single VPS. There is a lot more >>> to consider. >>> >>> >>> A fairer comparson, would be some sort of managed hosting, something like >>> >>> http://www.rackspace.com/managed-hosting/dedicated-servers/pricing/ >>> >>> but that still doesnt consider everything. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Tapir <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> DigitalOcean: 2.0GHz, 512MB RAM, 20GB SSD, 1TB Bandwidth for free. >>>>>> $5/month >>>>>> Google App Engine B4 Instance: 2.4GHz, 512MB, No Hard Disk, Bandwidth >>>>>> needs extra money, $230/month >>>>>> >>>>>> 230/5 = 46! >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Google App Engine" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Google App Engine" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Google App Engine" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. 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