Thx Chris, that's unfortunate it was many years until the Java world
settled on something that worked in spite of having a built-in  log
package.

This is truly an area where we seem to repeat the mistakes of the past.

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017, 18:11 Chris Hines <ggro...@cs-guy.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 3:14:09 AM UTC-4, Henrik Johansson wrote:
>>
>> Sorry to but in but what happened to the whole logging initiative that
>> was on going?
>> Did I miss something about that? It seems very related to this.
>>
>
> That discussion took place in this thread:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/golang-dev/F3l9Iz1JX4g
>
> Some proposals were drafted (links to them are in the above thread).
> Proposal authors also had two conference calls to discuss and share ideas
> and opinions. Notes from those meetings were recorded in these two
> documents:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hovWbs19GvzfYDd-2RSYw4GN3h4vkbPUj_qO5cZa1uU/edit?usp=sharing
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IOaEPwmVZrvlCg5anWI0UC9yaZmihSiMvu6-471f8KY/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I don't know if the last two links will work for everyone because of
> permissions on the docs. I don't own the docs, so I cannot change the
> permissions. I will try to get the owner to open the permissions for
> viewing.
>
> The general consensus (as I perceived it) was that logging use cases are
> too diverse to make a standard interface that satisfies a wide enough
> range. The group felt that persuading the community to treat logging as an
> application concern and that libraries should return errors or provide
> hooks rather than log directly. The last several slides of my talk (linked
> to earlier in the thread) was my attempt to persuade/educate along those
> lines.
>
> Chris
>
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