Most of my work in Konkanni had been in the field with multiple caste occupational groups, not the written, Marathi-dominated, Konkanni of Brahman communities, most of which in Goa are fish eaters and traders, as I worked with Mamai Kamat and family for a long time on their history, with extension into Timmayya or Timoja Naik of Vijayanagar naval guard in Karwar etc. What sort of Konkanni structure you perpetuate, I do not know still and it might have a continuity with the written, Marathi-influenced Kokanni of Bamonn Gaunvkari. We could discuss these issues if you like and plunge in. William Robert
On Mon, Apr 13, 2026 at 4:16 PM Sangeeta Chakrabarty < [email protected]> wrote: > Hello William sir and Helga Maam, > > Its wonderful to know about your interest in the Konkani LLM paper. > > I can connect you to all the Computer Science Professors including Prof. > Gaurang Patkar working on Konkani currently and I am sure they will also > gain some more insights from your discussions. > > Happy to connect! > > > > Prof. Sangeeta Chakrabarty, > HoD, Dept. of I.T, > S. S. Dempo College (Autonomous), > Integrated Educational Complex, > Cujira, (opp GMC, Bambolim) Ilhas, > Goa 403 202 > > *KNOW about me at:* > art2smart.blogspot.com > *My Papers at:* > https://scholar.google.co.in/citations?user=E7lsYOYAAAAJ&hl=en > > > > On Mon, 13 Apr, 2026, 06:07 William Robert Da Silva, <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Helga, I have been with oral Konkanni of different caste-occupational >> groups in Goa state and outside, less with Kerala and Navayat (I had >> contact with them in the 1970s). Written Konkanni moves away in the >> morpho-phonological, syntactical and verbal framework of most of these >> caste-occupational Konkanni. It is use-based in occupation and living and >> the vocabulary and linguistic issues are of another kind. Put together, >> they give a dynamic unity to Konkanni because the occupational groups are >> mutually communicative and highly sharing. My language 'bandavoll' and >> 'utram-daiz' are original to Konkanni. It does not celebrate 'Goy amchem >> mullpitt, Konkanni amchi bhas' because in history, Goa was a city, a >> capital city of different kingdoms ruling in coastal Konkann. (Others would >> call it Aparaant, in opposition to Puurvaant?). Konkanni people looked at >> it differently, beginning with the first arrivals from Africa some 40000 >> years ago, who moved down, eastward, north and into south-east Asia. The >> Mittgauddo, Kharvi, Gabit, Velip, etc. are good examples of language >> dynamism. >> I have entertained and worked this out all these decades for Konkanni and >> other Indian languages. >> Some thought, stray and away LLMs. >> W R Da Silva >> >> On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 11:15 PM Helga Do Rosario Gomes < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi William, >>> I too would have liked to learn more about this but here’s a simple >>> explanation that I gleaned from my limited knowledge and chatGTP. >>> As you are aware the many AI Large language models (LLMs) that underly >>> chatGTP, Gemini, Claude, DeepSeek etc are trained by ‘supplying’ them with >>> huge amounts of training data like magazines, journals and who know what! >>> This is a highly contentious issue with creators which is why NYT has sued >>> them but that is another story. >>> But these LLMs struggle with languages like Konkani because there isn’t >>> enough training data and the language is written in multiple scripts (like >>> Devanagari, Romi, and Kannada), which makes learning (for these models) >>> harder. To fix this, the authors created a large synthetic dataset >>> (Konkani-Instruct-100k) and used it to fine-tune existing models such as >>> Llama 3.1 (meta) Qwen2.5 (Ali baba) and Gemma 3 (Google). They also built >>> benchmarks to evaluate performance across scripts. As a result, their >>> improved models perform better at tasks like translation, sometimes even >>> outperforming propriety baselines. >>> As Joǎo said if you want to know how they do it then you need expertise >>> in computer sciences and math but as a highly regarded Konkani researcher I >>> think you would be a perfect user to test their fine tuned model. >>> Hope this helps. >>> Best, >>> Helga >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 10, 2026, at 06:22, William Robert Da Silva <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Send some clarification on the entire project. >>> WRDS >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2026 at 12:49 AM Frederick Noronha < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Konkani LLM: Multi-Script Instruction Tuning and Evaluation for a >>>> Low-Resource Indian Language >>>> Reuben Chagas Fernandes >>>> <https://arxiv.org/search/cs?searchtype=author&query=Fernandes,+R+C>, >>>> Gaurang >>>> S. Patkar >>>> <https://arxiv.org/search/cs?searchtype=author&query=Patkar,+G+S> >>>> >>>> Large Language Models (LLMs) consistently under perform in low-resource >>>> linguistic contexts such as Konkani. This performance deficit stems from >>>> acute training data scarcity compounded by high script diversity across >>>> Devanagari, Romi and Kannada orthographies. To address this gap, we >>>> introduce Konkani-Instruct-100k, a comprehensive synthetic >>>> instruction-tuning dataset generated through Gemini 3. >>>> We establish rigorous baseline benchmarks by evaluating leading >>>> open-weights architectures including Llama 3.1, Qwen2.5 and Gemma 3 >>>> alongside proprietary closed-source models. Our primary contribution >>>> involves the development of Konkani LLM, a series of fine-tuned models >>>> optimized for regional nuances. Furthermore, we are developing the >>>> Multi-Script Konkani Benchmark to facilitate cross-script linguistic >>>> evaluation. 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