Pawan Kumar wrote:
Respected Sir,

Greetings from Pawan.
Thanks for all your kind help and suggestions.
I will work on this and ask you if I have further doubts.
Is it fine if I use the perl code given in wiki.gromacs.org/membrane-simulations <http://wiki.gromacs.org/membrane-simulations> for solvation after the genbox step to remove extra waters from the hydrophobic part of the bilayer ?


You mean the C program or shell script at http://wiki.gromacs.org/index.php/Membrane_Simulations? Yes, either of those should be fine.

-Justin

Thanking you,

Yours sincerely,
Pawan

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>> wrote:



    Pawan Kumar wrote:

        Respected Sir,

        Greetings from Pawan.
        Thanks for all your suggestions.
        Is it possible to use the lipid.itp file from Tieleman sir's
        website in combination with GROMOS 96 force field without any
        modification ?


    If you want to use lipid.itp without any modification, you are
    restricted to the ffgmx (deprecated!) force field.  For
    Gromos96-lipid.itp combination, simply remove the ";; parameters for
    lipid-GROMOS interactions," as these nonbonded combinations are for
    ffgmx only.  Otherwise, the nonbonded interactions (which now have
    consistent combination rules) should be generated correctly.


        Is it fine if I use the Gromos/Berger force field combination
        for the system I am using ?


    That is a decision you will have to make based on a thorough
    examination of the literature, and the benefits and criticisms of
    these particular force field parameters.


        I am sorry to ask this but can you please help me with some
        information how to modify the lipid.itp file ?


    That depends entirely upon what you want to do.  If you want
    Gromos/Berger, I've already told you.  If you want OPLS/modified
    Berger, search the archives for Chris Neale's posts on that topic.

    -Justin

        I will edit vdwradii.dat file as per your suggestion.


        Thanking you,

        Yours sincerely,
        Pawan

        On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
        <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>
        <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>>> wrote:



           Pawan Kumar wrote:

               Respected Sir,

               Greetings from Pawan.
               I have edited the lipid.itp file to add just one line
        extra " H
               atom from the opls_force_filed.itp " at the end of lipid
               interactions data and that works fine.
               I have done this after seeing the archives. It was given
        either
               I should change the file for sigma and epsilon values or else
               just add this line.
               I think I have done it correctly. If not please correct me.


           No, that is incorrect.  You need to add the additional atom
        type as
           well as convert C6/C12 to sigma/epsilon.  Otherwise, the
        calculated
           nonbonded interactions are meaningless.  Read instructions
        carefully!

           Force fields have to be internally self-consistent, so using the
           parameters from OPLS with Berger lipids will give spurious
        results.
            The only proper combinations are Gromos/Berger or OPLS/converted
           Berger.


               I have removed the position restraints after the inflategro
               procedure.
               After that I did energy minimization using define =
        -DFLEXIBLE.
               I will change the temperature as per your suggestion.
               I thought before solvating if I do position restraint
        mdrun the
               lipids will compact more surrounding the protein.


           No, your system will probably explode due to unsatisfied charge
           interactions and hydrogen bonds.  There is a substantial
        dipole in
           each lipid headgroup that can repel the lipids away from each
        other
           if it is not shielded.


               Thats the step when I got Lincs warnings and segmentation
        fault.
               Then I tried solvating the system using genbox step and
               spc216.gro as the solvent.
               But before doing the solvation step I copied the vdwradii.dat
               file into the working directory and increased the value for
               carbon to 0.5.
               But the result of this was " Segmentation fault " again.
        Can you
               please tell me why I get the " Segmentation fault " here
        in this
               step.
               The command used was : genbox  -cp comp_em27.pdb -cs
        spc216.gro
               -o box.pdb -p topol.top


           Using a 0.5-nm radius for carbon will cause problems of excess
           memory consumption, or otherwise breaks the calculation.  Use
           something more along the lines of 0.35 or 0.375, and manually
        delete
           out any stray waters in the hydrophobic core.

           -Justin


               Thanking you,

               Yours sincerely,
               Pawan

               On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
               <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>
        <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>>
               <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>
        <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>>>> wrote:



                  Justin A. Lemkul wrote:



                      Pawan Kumar wrote:

                          Respected Sir,

                          Greetings from Pawan.
                          I have used force constants of 100000 in position
               restraint
                          .itp files for proteins as suggested in Dr.
        Tieleman' s
                          webisite for Inflategro.
                          The mdp files are :


                      The .mdp files look reasonable enough, although I
        don't
               know why
                      you are applying position restraints during EM.
         If it is for
                      InflateGRO, that is fine, but once the system is
               assembled, you
                      should remove the position restraints from the
        protein to
                      minimize the system more.

                      And are you sure you want 300K?  DPPC will be in a gel
               phase at
                      that temperature.  If you want a more realistic
        fluid-phase
                      model, you'll have to go above 315K (323K is common).


                  One thing I just noticed.  You don't have solvent in your
                  position-restrained run?  That could be a big problem
        if the
               lipid
                  headgroups are strongly repelled from one another.
         Add solvent
                  before doing anything other than EM.

                  -Justin


                          *Topology file :*
                          ; Include forcefield parameters
                          #include "ffoplsaa.itp"
                          #include "lipid.itp"
                          #include "dppc.itp"


                      This section should not work, as written.  Have
        you modified
                      lipid.itp according to Chris Neale's half-epsilon
                      double-pairlist method?  If not, what you've done
        makes no
                      sense.  The Berger lipid parameters distributed
        through
                      Tieleman's site are designed for use with the
        Gromos force
                      fields.  They can be modified (search in the
        archives),
               but that
                      can also be a source of error.  Users who have made
               mistakes in
                      the conversion have seen their systems explode.

                      -Justin

                          ; Include chain topologies
                          #include "topol_A.itp"
                          #include "topol_B.itp"
                          #include "topol_C.itp"

                          ;#ifdef POSRES
                          ;#include "lipid_posre.itp"
                          ;#endif

                          ; Include water topology
                          #ifdef FLEX_SPC
                          #include "flexspc.itp"
                          #else
                          #include "spc.itp"
                          #endif

                          #ifdef POSRES_WATER
                          ; Position restraint for each water oxygen
                          [ position_restraints ]
                          ;  i funct       fcx        fcy        fcz
                            1    1       1000       1000       1000
                          #endif

                          ; Include generic topology for ions
                          #include "ions.itp"

                          [ system ]
                          ; Name
                          PROTEIN IN DPPC BILAYER

                          [ molecules ]
                          ; Compound      #mols
                          Protein_A           1
                          Protein_B           1
                          Protein_C           1
                          DPPC              926
                          ;SOL             23552

                          Please help with some suggestions.

                          Thanking you,

                          Yours sincerely,
                          Pawan

                          On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
                          <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>
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                          <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu
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        <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>>>>> wrote:
                                         Pawan Kumar wrote:

                                 Respected Sir,

                                 Greetings from Pawan.
                                 I did the Inflategro procedure for the POPC
               bilayer
                          generated
                                 using genconf.
                                 It took around 26 compressions for
        coming near the
                          initial area
                                 (just above it).
                                 The minimization were all converged to
        Fmax <
               1350.
                                 If I decrease the Fmax less than this I
        am getting
                          machine
                                 precision.
                                 But when I proceeded with the final
        compressed
                          structure for pr
                                 mdrun it gave lincs warnings and ended with
                          segmentation fault.
                                 As an alternative to this bilayer I
        used the
               DPPC bilayer
                                 (pre-equilibrated) which is given in
        GMX-Benchmark
                          distribution.
                                 I carried out the same steps of
        Inflategro. I used
                          the cutoff of
                                 14 A in the inflation and compression
        step also.
                                 In this case the the Steepest Descents
               converged to
                          Fmax < 1000
                                 in all the steps. The maximum force war
        never
               above 850.
                                 But when I did position restraint mdrun
        with
               the last
                          compressed
                                 file I got Lincs warnings and
        Segementation fault
                          after few
                                 steps (30 - 40 steps).
                                 Can you please help how to proceed ?


                             If the minimization procedure is adequately
        finishing,
                          then the
                             problem comes from something you are doing.  If
               you post
                          your .mdp
                             file, we may be able to see if there are
        any obvious
                          mistakes.

                             -Justin

                                 Thanking you,

                                 Yours sincerely,
                                 Pawan


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