Pawan Kumar wrote:
Respected Sir,

Greetings from Pawan.
Thanks for all your suggestions.
Is it possible to use the lipid.itp file from Tieleman sir's website in combination with GROMOS 96 force field without any modification ?

If you want to use lipid.itp without any modification, you are restricted to the ffgmx (deprecated!) force field. For Gromos96-lipid.itp combination, simply remove the ";; parameters for lipid-GROMOS interactions," as these nonbonded combinations are for ffgmx only. Otherwise, the nonbonded interactions (which now have consistent combination rules) should be generated correctly.

Is it fine if I use the Gromos/Berger force field combination for the system I am using ?

That is a decision you will have to make based on a thorough examination of the literature, and the benefits and criticisms of these particular force field parameters.

I am sorry to ask this but can you please help me with some information how to modify the lipid.itp file ?

That depends entirely upon what you want to do. If you want Gromos/Berger, I've already told you. If you want OPLS/modified Berger, search the archives for Chris Neale's posts on that topic.

-Justin

I will edit vdwradii.dat file as per your suggestion.


Thanking you,

Yours sincerely,
Pawan

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>> wrote:



    Pawan Kumar wrote:

        Respected Sir,

        Greetings from Pawan.
        I have edited the lipid.itp file to add just one line extra " H
        atom from the opls_force_filed.itp " at the end of lipid
        interactions data and that works fine.
        I have done this after seeing the archives. It was given either
        I should change the file for sigma and epsilon values or else
        just add this line.
        I think I have done it correctly. If not please correct me.


    No, that is incorrect.  You need to add the additional atom type as
    well as convert C6/C12 to sigma/epsilon.  Otherwise, the calculated
    nonbonded interactions are meaningless.  Read instructions carefully!

    Force fields have to be internally self-consistent, so using the
    parameters from OPLS with Berger lipids will give spurious results.
     The only proper combinations are Gromos/Berger or OPLS/converted
    Berger.


        I have removed the position restraints after the inflategro
        procedure.
        After that I did energy minimization using define = -DFLEXIBLE.
        I will change the temperature as per your suggestion.
        I thought before solvating if I do position restraint mdrun the
        lipids will compact more surrounding the protein.


    No, your system will probably explode due to unsatisfied charge
    interactions and hydrogen bonds.  There is a substantial dipole in
    each lipid headgroup that can repel the lipids away from each other
    if it is not shielded.


        Thats the step when I got Lincs warnings and segmentation fault.
        Then I tried solvating the system using genbox step and
        spc216.gro as the solvent.
        But before doing the solvation step I copied the vdwradii.dat
        file into the working directory and increased the value for
        carbon to 0.5.
        But the result of this was " Segmentation fault " again. Can you
        please tell me why I get the " Segmentation fault " here in this
        step.
        The command used was : genbox  -cp comp_em27.pdb -cs spc216.gro
        -o box.pdb -p topol.top


    Using a 0.5-nm radius for carbon will cause problems of excess
    memory consumption, or otherwise breaks the calculation.  Use
    something more along the lines of 0.35 or 0.375, and manually delete
    out any stray waters in the hydrophobic core.

    -Justin


        Thanking you,

        Yours sincerely,
        Pawan

        On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
        <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>
        <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>>> wrote:



           Justin A. Lemkul wrote:



               Pawan Kumar wrote:

                   Respected Sir,

                   Greetings from Pawan.
                   I have used force constants of 100000 in position
        restraint
                   .itp files for proteins as suggested in Dr. Tieleman' s
                   webisite for Inflategro.
                   The mdp files are :


               The .mdp files look reasonable enough, although I don't
        know why
               you are applying position restraints during EM.  If it is for
               InflateGRO, that is fine, but once the system is
        assembled, you
               should remove the position restraints from the protein to
               minimize the system more.

               And are you sure you want 300K?  DPPC will be in a gel
        phase at
               that temperature.  If you want a more realistic fluid-phase
               model, you'll have to go above 315K (323K is common).


           One thing I just noticed.  You don't have solvent in your
           position-restrained run?  That could be a big problem if the
        lipid
           headgroups are strongly repelled from one another.  Add solvent
           before doing anything other than EM.

           -Justin


                   *Topology file :*
                   ; Include forcefield parameters
                   #include "ffoplsaa.itp"
                   #include "lipid.itp"
                   #include "dppc.itp"


               This section should not work, as written.  Have you modified
               lipid.itp according to Chris Neale's half-epsilon
               double-pairlist method?  If not, what you've done makes no
               sense.  The Berger lipid parameters distributed through
               Tieleman's site are designed for use with the Gromos force
               fields.  They can be modified (search in the archives),
        but that
               can also be a source of error.  Users who have made
        mistakes in
               the conversion have seen their systems explode.

               -Justin

                   ; Include chain topologies
                   #include "topol_A.itp"
                   #include "topol_B.itp"
                   #include "topol_C.itp"

                   ;#ifdef POSRES
                   ;#include "lipid_posre.itp"
                   ;#endif

                   ; Include water topology
                   #ifdef FLEX_SPC
                   #include "flexspc.itp"
                   #else
                   #include "spc.itp"
                   #endif

                   #ifdef POSRES_WATER
                   ; Position restraint for each water oxygen
                   [ position_restraints ]
                   ;  i funct       fcx        fcy        fcz
                     1    1       1000       1000       1000
                   #endif

                   ; Include generic topology for ions
                   #include "ions.itp"

                   [ system ]
                   ; Name
                   PROTEIN IN DPPC BILAYER

                   [ molecules ]
                   ; Compound      #mols
                   Protein_A           1
                   Protein_B           1
                   Protein_C           1
                   DPPC              926
                   ;SOL             23552

                   Please help with some suggestions.

                   Thanking you,

                   Yours sincerely,
                   Pawan

                   On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
                   <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>
        <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>>
                   <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>
        <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>>>> wrote:
                                  Pawan Kumar wrote:

                          Respected Sir,

                          Greetings from Pawan.
                          I did the Inflategro procedure for the POPC
        bilayer
                   generated
                          using genconf.
                          It took around 26 compressions for coming near the
                   initial area
                          (just above it).
                          The minimization were all converged to Fmax <
        1350.
                          If I decrease the Fmax less than this I am getting
                   machine
                          precision.
                          But when I proceeded with the final compressed
                   structure for pr
                          mdrun it gave lincs warnings and ended with
                   segmentation fault.
                          As an alternative to this bilayer I used the
        DPPC bilayer
                          (pre-equilibrated) which is given in GMX-Benchmark
                   distribution.
                          I carried out the same steps of Inflategro. I used
                   the cutoff of
                          14 A in the inflation and compression step also.
                          In this case the the Steepest Descents
        converged to
                   Fmax < 1000
                          in all the steps. The maximum force war never
        above 850.
                          But when I did position restraint mdrun with
        the last
                   compressed
                          file I got Lincs warnings and Segementation fault
                   after few
                          steps (30 - 40 steps).
                          Can you please help how to proceed ?


                      If the minimization procedure is adequately finishing,
                   then the
                      problem comes from something you are doing.  If
        you post
                   your .mdp
                      file, we may be able to see if there are any obvious
                   mistakes.

                      -Justin

                          Thanking you,

                          Yours sincerely,
                          Pawan


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