Thank you for this dialogue (trialogue?), it was very interesting and I learned a lot from it!
Cristina On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Wil Burns <[email protected]> wrote: > I don’t disagree with your underlying argument, however, Eduardo. I think > Obama has himself admitted that he has only come to understand truly > existential a threat climate change is through his consultation with > experts in the last eight years, and of course, the increasing > manifestations of climate during this time. > > > > It’s my hope that he’ll be a powerful voice in this context after he > leaves office! wil > > > > Dr. Wil Burns > > Co-Executive Director, Forum for Climate Engineering Assessment > > School of International Service, American University > > 2650 Haste Street, Towle Hall #G07 > > Berkeley, CA 94720 > > 650.281.9126 (Phone) > > http://www.dcgeoconsortium.org > > > > Blog: Teaching Climate/Energy Law & Policy, http://www.teachingclimatelaw. > org > > Twitter: https://twitter.com/wil_burns > > Skype ID: Wil.Burns > > View my research on my SSRN Author page: > > http://ssrn.com/author=240348 > > > > *From:* Eduardo Viola [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 8:15 AM > *To:* Downie, David L. <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Wil Burns <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Schreurs, Miranda < > [email protected]>; [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [gep-ed] good article on Obama and climate change > > > > Dear Will and David, > > Many thanks for the explanations about the dynamic of the Senate in that > period, being a Brazilian is more difficult to be aware about. My thought > until Today have been that Obama didn't have in 2009 the deepness in > awareness and scientific knowledge needed to prioritize climate change but > now I am persuaded the decision making was much more complex. > > Best, > > Eduardo > > > Eduardo Viola, PhD > Professor Titular - Full Professor > > IREL - Institute of International Relations > UnB - University of Brasilia > C.P. 04306 > 70904-970, Brasília D.F. > Brazil > E-mail: [email protected] > > Pesquisador 1B do CNPq > Currículo Lattes: http://lattes.cnpq.br/2685286492991791 > Internet: http://www.irel.unb.br > > Google Scholar Citations: http://scholar.google.com/ > citations?user=NVRS_VcAAAAJ&hl=en > > > > [image: > https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B07u8J16a6fxNExodlRJQy11aVU&revid=0B07u8J16a6fxUStxMWVvelFwNm9sNHMvK0FVMlkzQ1cyUGs4PQ] > www.twitter.com/eduardoviola > > > > 2016-09-12 11:55 GMT-03:00 Downie, David L. <[email protected]>: > > Will: I agree. He had to weigh difficult options, including a > significant portion of the base that was focused on health care more than > climate. > > > > In addition to what you said regarding the Senate, Sen. McCain was in the > process of changing sides on the climate issue as a result of his personal > reaction to the loss in the Presidential election. Anything less than full > McCain leadership on the Republican Side would likely had led to slightly > fewer votes to overcome the filibuster. Also, Sen. Warner, Republican of > Virginia, retired in 2008. He had co-sponsored one of the Senate climate > bills. His retirement removed a strong Republic proponent of Senate > passage, which lessoned chances of overcoming a filibuster. So while we > can never know if a domestic bill would have passed in 2009, it is > unlikely. > > > > History may judge Obama negatively, even harshly, for not understanding > the profound impacts of climate change soon enough and acting accordingly > but he will fare far better than his processors on both sides of the aisle, > especially given the large subsidies for wind and solar in the original > stimulus bill (which accelerated the changing economics of clean power in > the US) and other programs, including the clean power plan if it survives > > > > ===================================== > > David Downie > > Politics and Environmental Studies > > Fairfield University > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Wil Burns > *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 10:39 AM > *To:* [email protected]; [email protected] > *Cc:* Schreurs, Miranda; [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [gep-ed] good article on Obama and climate change > > > > I’d say Obama was eminently wise at the time. The Senate climate bill was > dead on arrival given the inevitable use of the filibuster by Republicans, > especially since there were a couple of blue dog Democrats who were going > to vote against the bill also for sure. Should Obama had lost this > high-profile battle early in his presidency, it would have made it much > more difficult to win other battles, including securing passage of the ACA. > > > > By contrast, the ACA was structured in such a way that it wasn’t subject > to the filibuster. I suspect Obama decided that it was thus judicious to > try to win this battle first, and try to build up some political capital. > The administration was also, simultaneously, drafting the rules for the > Clean Power Plan, which his administration could implement without > Congressional blockage. wil > > > > Dr. Wil Burns > > Co-Executive Director, Forum for Climate Engineering Assessment > > School of International Service, American University > > 2650 Haste Street, Towle Hall #G07 > > Berkeley, CA 94720 > > 650.281.9126 (Phone) > > http://www.dcgeoconsortium.org > > > > [image: cid:[email protected]] > > Blog: Teaching Climate/Energy Law & Policy, http://www.teachingclimatelaw. > org > > Twitter: https://twitter.com/wil_burns > > Skype ID: Wil.Burns > > View my research on my SSRN Author page: > > http://ssrn.com/author=240348 > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Eduardo Viola > *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2016 6:58 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* Schreurs, Miranda <[email protected]>; > [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [gep-ed] good article on Obama and climate change > > > > Excellent article and video! But there is no reflection about what > happened between June and September 2009. How wise was Obama in giving > priority to Obamacare over the battle for the climate change bill in the > Senate that had already passed in the House? > > Best, > > Eduardo Viola > > > Eduardo Viola, PhD > Professor Titular - Full Professor > > IREL - Institute of International Relations > UnB - University of Brasilia > C.P. 04306 > 70904-970, Brasília D.F. > Brazil > E-mail: [email protected] > > Pesquisador 1B do CNPq > Currículo Lattes: http://lattes.cnpq.br/2685286492991791 > Internet: http://www.irel.unb.br > > Google Scholar Citations: http://scholar.google.com/ > citations?user=NVRS_VcAAAAJ&hl=en > > > > [image: > https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B07u8J16a6fxNExodlRJQy11aVU&revid=0B07u8J16a6fxUStxMWVvelFwNm9sNHMvK0FVMlkzQ1cyUGs4PQ] > www.twitter.com/eduardoviola > > > > 2016-09-11 23:22 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Rosenberg <[email protected]>: > > Yes, thanks Miranda. And the embedded video is the actual interview with > Obama by the New York Times reporters. My environmental IPE class got a > lot out of watching and discussing it. I would recommend it even more > strongly for a comparative environmental politics class as it reveals a > good deal about the vagaries of environmental policy in a federal state > with a presidential system. > > Best, > > Jonathan > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Schreurs, Miranda < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > this NYTimes special does a great job of summarizing Obama’s climate > policy and how it came about. > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/us/politics/obama-climate-change.html?&; > moduleDetail=section-news-1&action=click&contentCollection=Science& > region=Footer&module=MoreInSection&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext& > pgtype=article > > > > > > Best, Miranda Schreurs > > > > > > > > Until September 30, 2016: > > > > Prof. Miranda Schreurs > Director, Environmental Policy Research Centre (FFU) > Freie Universität Berlin > Ihnestrasse 22 > Berlin, 14195 > Germany > > Tel +49 30 838 56654 > [email protected] > > > > Starting October 1, 2016: > > > > Prof. Environment and Climate Policy > > > > Bavarian School of Public Policy/Hochschule für Politik > > Technical University of Munich > > Richard Wagner Strasse 1 > > 80333 Munich, Germany > > > > Email: [email protected] > > Tel: 0049 (0) 89 907793220 <89%20907793220> > > > > website Deutsch: http://www.hfp.tum.de/startseite/ > > > > website English: > > http://www.hfp.tum.de/en/home/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "gep-ed" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > > Jonathan Rosenberg, PhD > > Professor of Political Science > > Chair, Department of Social Sciences > > Illinois Institute of Technology > > Siegel Hall 116E > > 3301 S. 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