* Hemmann, Volker Armin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
> that is one of the most stupid things I ever read on this list. So users
> should never be part of discussions? Their needs? Their opinions?
well, that's what essentially told to me on -dev before I left there ;-O
Maybe it's just an communication problem: devs are usually people who have
much deeper knowledge of the whole system (or maybe just their packages)
and also different needs than arbitary users. The tendencies of chasing
away users might be an kind of self-protection against the "more (end)user
friendly" points of view found in other distros (eg. SuSE).
> Also, drobbins continued his attacks even after explained SEVERAL times that
> the stuff ciaranm was doing was a) wanted and b) helpfull and c) supervised
> by devs.
Without knowing the details, both parties might have their (subjectively)
valid reasons (speaking of the ideas/concepts, not the way they've been
expressed ;-o). Maybe the whole project should be more modularized, so forking
becomes much easier and still doesn't produce too much duplicate works.
A few ideas:
* bugfixing on individual packages should happen directly in the upstream
(maybe with OSS-QM as "source overlay"), not in Gentoo itself.
* package's build/install logic should be entirely moved into the package
(so that ebuilds mostly do nothing more than calling the package's
build system)
* the QM process could be split into several parts:
a) per-package (distro agnostic)
b) per ebuild (aka the package w/ portage)
c) the ebuild within (official) Gentoo
On a quick view this looks like a lot more work, but in longer terms it
would reduce the overall work (including dozens of other distros around
the world).
cu
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