Hello, Arsen. On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 13:40:57 +0200, Arsen Arsenović wrote: > Alan Mackenzie <a...@muc.de> writes:
[ .... ] > >> So, @system requires you to have any one of: > >> - openrc > >> - openrc-navi (a testing fork with openrc user services) > >> - s6 > >> - systemd > >> - runit > >> - daemontools > >> It's possible you have installed another one of these packages too. If > >> you do, then virtual/service-manager will still be satisfied, and it > >> will allow you to depclean openrc. > > Yes, I have daemontools, needed as a component of a qmail variant. > In that case, it'd be wise to 'emerge -n openrc' to prevent such > trouble. Yes. > I do wonder if we should keep s6, runit and daemontools in that virutal > though, given that we can't boot them. Perhaps they'd be fine behind a > USE flag. I'll propose that. Thanks! [ .... ] > > The context of this discussion was an implication that the Gentoo > > maintainers wouldn't make a change "that made everyone's systems > > suddenly break". I submitted a bug report about --depclean back in > > the summer of 2021 (though I can't find that bug any more). I think > > it was closed as not-a-bug. > Whoever closed it was wrong, frankly. I've found the bug. It was 803878. The developer who responded treated my bug as though it were a request for personal support, and he completely evaded my point that it was a bug in portage which should be fixed. It was actually closed as TEST-REQUEST, whatever that means. The bug was never addressed. > > There are several ways this could have been fixed, for example with > > --depclean preserving packages in system, as well as world. > That probably would not fix anything here, openrc is not in @system, > virtual/service-manager is. --depclean could preserve anything under a virtual in @system. > > But it was regarded as not a bug. > > So I think it is fair to say that the Gentoo developers are content for > > some systems (in particular, mine) suddenly to break. > Developers differ a good bit.. we generally try not to break things. :-) > > I am thus somewhat sceptical about things in Gentoo which may be based > > on assumptions which don't hold in my system. The new +wayland USE > > flag kind of looked a bit like that to me. Actually, it wasn't, so I > > apologise for my opening post. > -- > Arsen Arsenović -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
