On 12/10/2017 11:31 PM, R0b0t1 wrote: > Against my better judgement, > > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <can...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Up to a point, the same can be said about systemd; although many of its >> programs can be and are used by end users, most of it is for distro >> builders, programmers and administrators. And having a couple of Gentoo >> boxes running Apache doesn't make anyone an administrator, BTW. >> > I have met Gentoo users who maintain, for fun, far more complex and > capable systems than some system administrators who are paid for their > work. There is no reason you are any more credible than a random > mailing list user. > >> That's why most of Gentoo systemd users (and we are *a lot*; Gentoo has >> great systemd support with several Gentoo devs collaborating with the >> project) usually just ignore this kind of threads. Most of the time is a lot >> of people which don't use it badmouthing a really cool piece of technology >> that has been adopted by all large (and heavily used) Linux distributions >> because the people that understand its technical merits realize that, for >> the *general case*, its benefits outweigh whatever costs (in many cases >> imaginary) it may have. And besides, for us it just works™, quietly running >> in the background. >> > If you are saying this then you are choosing to ignore the technical > arguments against systemd. You can claim you don't care and that is > fine, but you've ignored what people are talking about and have > injected your opinion into the discussion with a false air of > superiority. > > The complaints in this thread may be a little extreme, but ultimately > I agree these closely connected binary systems are not easily > maintainable and are opaque to users. > > Cheers, > R0b0t1 > @R0b0t1
Agreed. The phase "single point of failure" comes to mind. In the past I have been forced to reload systems using "systemd" because I was unable to figure out how to fix "systemd" init problems. If the system uses ( SysV, OpenRC, BSD / Slackware ) type init, it is not a major problem to fix. Corbin
