On Tuesday 12 Jul 2016 15:27:36 Philip Webb wrote:
> 160712 Mick wrote:
> > On Tuesday 12 Jul 2016 20:06:05 Jens Reinemuth wrote:
> >> KDE 5 is usable iff you dont use kdepim/akonadi with mailing lists ...
> >> As soon as my count of Mails grow over some thousands,
> >> Akonadi simply stops working, ie is no longer fetching or displaying
> >> Mail.
> >> The desktop is cool and stable pim is not really since some versions ago.
> > 
> > I don't use the full plasma desktop, but use KDEPIM and some other KDE
> > apps
> > with all their unavoidable dependencies. It is usable for me,
> > on two machines where akonadi is running on MySQL
> > and on my laptop with PostgreSQL.  I use Enlightenment as my day to day DE
> > and Fluxbox as a fall back.  Having to install some parts of Plasma
> > does not mean you have to use it as your desktop.
> 
> I'm quite satisfied with Fluxbox & have no intention of using KDE desktop.
> 
> > You need some CPU horsepower and patience
> > to let Akonadi index all messages in the database.
> > If your PC is resource constrained,
> > it'll have trouble managing large mail boxes.
> > I remember a Pentium Duo with 4G RAM taking overnight to update mailboxes,
> > which in their totality contained more than 125,000 messages.
> > When I repeated the exercise with < 5000 messages, the response
> > was much more reasonable : it took a few minutes, rather than hours.
> 
> I've been a contented user of Mutt since 1998, so that's no problem.
> 
> BTW Whatever is the point of keeping  125 K  mail messages ?
> -- at  1 min each , it would take  90 days  to read them (without sleep).

With Gmail I used to (almost) never delete messages and they accumulated over 
the years.  Kmail searches through them very efficiently.


> As for desktop indexing, it's simply an overweight tool
> for those too lazy to keep their directories + files in proper order
> (smile). It seems to have been invented to try to help users of proprietary
> systems which make it difficult to keep track of anything for long.

The semantic desktop with database indexing was an attempt of Linux to break 
into the MSWindows monopoly of the enterprise desktop.  The world has moved 
since, but back then EU money was invested to kick all this off.


> Anyone else have comments on using KDE 5 ? -- thanks so far.

Unlike Neil I found Plasma 5 a major climb down from KDE4 in terms of 
interface usability.  A lot of things were broken and for me still are.  For 
example Konqueror on my laptop does not integrate with Dolphin anymore, menu 
icons on Dolphin are not shown, Network places are empty, Kim4 does not show 
up in the dropdown menu, etc.  I noticed the same problems on a desktop which 
had the full Plasma5 desktop installed.

Things are gradually improving, but they are at present a rather retrograde 
attempt at improving something which was not broken.  In other words, similar 
to the KDE3 to KDE4 migration, but not as bad this time.

At least two ex-KDE4 users asked me to remove Plasma from the their desktop 
and install something different ...
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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