Am 17.09.2014 um 23:03 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann > <volkerar...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> Am 17.09.2014 um 21:52 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: >>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann >>> <volkerar...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>> Am 17.09.2014 um 21:02 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: >>>>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann >>>>> <volkerar...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>> [snip] >>>>>> Now you use this to advertise for systemd? >>>>>> >>>>>> Systemd fanbois are becoming more and more desperate. >>>>> So, systemd is used (or it has been announced that is going to be >>>>> used) by default in all the major distributions, is available and >>>>> working great in Gentoo, and many Gentoo users and developers use it >>>>> happily. >>>>> >>>>> So, yeah, we are *really* desperate, obviously. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the laugh. >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>> you will stop laughing when redhat&poettering abandon systemd because it >>>> is 'fundamentally broken' and must be replaced with something else. >>>> >>>> Probably as soon as everybody got used to it. >>>> >>>> And if I guess correctly, pulseaudio will be the driving force behind >>>> it. Because history loves repetition. >>> Sure Volker, whatever you say. I'm willing to bet the future stability >>> of my desktop and server machines that your doomsday-scenario will not >>> happen. Actually, I'm already betting on it. >>> >>> What are you willing to bet? >>> >>> Again, thanks for the laughs. You are a funny guy. >>> >>> Regards. >> I am not betting anything. > I figured it. > >> But I want you to think about something: >> >> devfs was the best thing since sliced bread. >> As soon as everybody used it, it was broken and replaced. >> >> hal was the best thing since sliced bread. >> As soon as everybody used it, it was broken and abandoned. >> >> *kit? >> The same. > Yeah. So it happened with XFree86, aRts, esd, gnome-vfs, DCOP, > sendmail, and it will happen again with dbus (I'm willing to bet it > will be replaced, at least in Linux, with kdbus). And, BTW, it's > happening with SysV being replaced in Linux with systemd. > > It happens all the time. It's a good thing. And it happened for *VERY* > different reasons in each case. Also, the transition has been > sometimes somewhat difficult (HAL comes to mind), but most of the > times really easy: we used devfs when I switched to Gentoo more than > 10 years ago, and I don't remember being difficult the switch to udev. > XFree86 => X.org was also basically trivial. > > Of course systemd can be replaced; if something cooler gets written, > we'll switch to it. But given the team behind systemd, and the design > it has, it's gonna be very difficult. > > Using Linus words, you are making excuses. You can compare systemd to > HAL, but doing so only shows that you don't know the code, the design, > and the history behind both projects. > > Regards.
there was no breakage with xfree-to-xorg. True. But hal, yes. No upower breakage. *kit breakage. The list is too long to ignore. Arts was not something whole systems depended upon. And whatever gnome-thingy you depend upon, you are fucked, because those guys are infected with the same mindset. As soon as the bugs are ironed out and everybody is using it: abandom it for something else. That has nothing to do with 'improvement', or 'development' it is just stupid. AFAIR dcop was replaced, because of the freedesktop-gnome guys. Not because anything was wrong with it. And look where it got us. No improvement at all.
