2013/9/6 Jarry <mr.ja...@gmail.com> > On 06-Sep-13 18:56, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 06/09/2013 18:21, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés <can...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry <mr.ja...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that >>>>>>>> pulled >>>>>>>> it in. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not >>>>>>> remove now any "thing" that pulled it in. All I did was >>>>>>> "emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were >>>>>>> reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and >>>>>>> linux-header updated. Nothing else. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After that I did "emerge --depclean" and the above mentioned >>>>>>> packages were suddenly removed... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include >>>>>> virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for >>>>>> yourself: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-**bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/** >>>>>> profiles/base/packages?view=**log<http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Then something got broken because I have packages installed >>>>> that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are >>>>> configured to send emails). And these packages do not have >>>>> "mail" use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect >>>>> standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... >>>>> >>>>> So now I have "stable" system, updated to the latest level, >>>>> where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* >>>>> happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear >>>>> this change was premature... >>>>> >>>> >>>> I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that >>>> pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. >>>> >>> >>> The change happened in the cron eclass: >>> >>> http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-**bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/** >>> eclass/cron.eclass?r1=1.15&r2=**1.16<http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/cron.eclass?r1=1.15&r2=1.16> >>> >>> From the commit log: "Per extensive discussion with zmedico about >>> removing the need for package.provided, several packages have been >>> changed, like sudo, to not explicitly require an mta. Cron will >>> follow, leaving mta support optional." >>> >>> The rationale (I suppose) is that the programs in question still work, >>> just the sending of emails fails. >>> >>> Good riddance, if you ask me. If you need/want an MTA, just install >>> ssmtp by hand. >>> >> >> >> Agreed. It's a bit daft relying on a cron daemon to be the only package >> pulling in a mailer. One can't even argue that it makes sense as a >> default - cron merely has this feature to notify the root user if a cron >> job wrote something to STDOUT. >> >> That's a notification. It is not an absolute need to have sendmail. >> >> If you want a syslogger, install a syslogger. >> If you want a print server, install a print server. >> Likewise, if you want a mailer, install one. >> > > If I want syslog-support, I add "syslog" to USE. > If I want ssl-support, I add "ssl" to USE. > If I want perl-support, I add "perl" to USE. > If I want mta-support, I add... wait, no! I can not add "mta" > to USE, I have to install mta manually... > > Got the picture now?
The gnome USE does not install Gnome for you. Sorry for that. > > > Jarry > -- > ______________________________**______________________________**___ > This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! > Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted. > >
