On 08/16/2013 07:29 AM, Alessio Ababilov wrote: > 2013/8/13 Canek Peláez Valdés <can...@gmail.com <mailto:can...@gmail.com>> > > I think it's a great experiment, but perhaps too much work for little > gain, at least currently. > > Thank you! > > The next council meeting will vote if separated /usr without and > initramfs is officially supported by Gentoo; I hope this time around > finally is officially and unequivocally stated by the council that a > separated /usr without an initramfs is *NOT* supported. > > As I see > from http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20130813.txt, > the council has stated that it is not supported anymore. > > The usr-merge will be a slow, gradual change; it will probably take > years. The systemd package entered the tree in June 2011, after more > than a year in an overlay, and then it took more than two years to > make it an official alternative to OpenRC. The /usr merge will take a > similar amount of time, if not longer. > > Yes, but systemd is a large important package and it requires changes to > startup files in other packages, so, it took a lot of time. > > As the opposite, /usr merge is easier and, IMHO, it doesn't introduce > any _obvious_ problems to Gentoo. > > 2013/8/16 Daniel Campbell <li...@sporkbox.us <mailto:li...@sporkbox.us>> > > > Red Hat is only upstream for GNOME and systemd. What they choose to do > with their distro should not affect the choices of any other distro. I > see no reason for a /usr merge unless one is using Fedora or wants to > turn their Gentoo installation into a makeshift Fedora installation. > This merge should not be forced on Gentoo whatsoever. > > > I would like to ask you to understand my intension. I believe that > Gentoo is a distro that is famous for providing choises (USE flags and > so on). /usr merge is also a choise, and I look for volunteers > and supporters. > BTW, /usr merge is not just a Fedora's caprice: is is done in Arch this > year: > https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-March/022625.html > > > Sincerely, > Alessio Ababilov > Senior Software Engineer > Grid Dynamics
I'm completely in favor of choice, but only if it doesn't impede on any other choice(s). If /usr merges are completely optional and only tied to software that require it (read: systemd), then I'm fine. But requiring people to have an initramfs to boot a system that doesn't legitimately require it is silly. I don't even have /usr mounted separately, but there are many, many different system configurations out there and Gentoo is famous for supporting a wide variety. That variety is stomped on if something like a /usr merge is forced. It also makes building your default environment more complicated due to generating an initramfs. Arch is following Fedora as they consider them an upstream. They were one of, if not *the* first non-Fedora distros to ship systemd by default. They're a poor example. Really, Arch is just Fedora with a better package manager. ~Daniel
