On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Walter Dnes <waltd...@waltdnes.org> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:48:07PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote >> Analogy: >> 99% of people aren't going to need a11y. But the whole point of >> installing it by default on most desktop systems is that you can't >> predict who will need it, >> and _it does not harm_ (or very little harm) > to the people who don't.> > [ list of pa horror anecdotes ] > And a Google search turns up a lot more cases. >> So your tradeoffs are: >> A) no a11y unless elected by user: >> - for the 1%: a11y is a pain to install > > How "painfull" is it to add "pulseaudio" to USE in make.conf and then > emerge --changed-use world >
So how "painful" is it to not add pulseaudio to your USE flag? You're comparing a gentoo user's experience, where we willingly wade in stuff to fix, to, say, an gnobuntudora user's experience, where all of this is automatic and made to "just work"... I wouldn't be surprised if the horror stories had to do with configuring the damned thing. It's actually interesting how dated (read:solved) some of the lag issues are when I _do_ google them which is revealing.... >> because the user might not even be able to see the screen (very big pain) > > Are you seriously arguing that a linux system will black-screen at > bootup due to lack of pulseaudio? See my previous message: no. I'm arguing that a very simplistic take on "more complexity = automatic bad" is misguided. > That is a strawman argument that avoids the question. This is *NOT* > about "a few megabytes" of disk space. It's about an extra layer on top > of the system, chewing up memory, slowing it down, and interacting with > other software to cause problems. *THAT* is what it's about. The "extra layer" that eats up so much memory (megabytes), slowdown (megabytes!), and software bogging (more megabytes!) that it's a wonder why anybody's desktop works as is. Oh wait. YES it is entirely about a few megabytes you don't like. A few megabytes that OTHER people choose to put on THEIR computers to NO effect on yours. Even your sig betrays your bias. > -- > Walter Dnes <waltd...@waltdnes.org> > I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications > -- This email is: [ ] actionable [ ] fyi [x] social Response needed: [ ] yes [x] up to you [ ] no Time-sensitive: [ ] immediate [ ] soon [x] none
