Am 18.04.2013 22:13, schrieb Michael Mol: > On 04/18/2013 04:02 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol: >>> On 04/18/2013 03:32 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>>> So, I grasped the nettle, put in a negative pulseaudio use flag, unmerged >>>> pa and alsa-plugins, then rebuilt the 14 packages which needed it. >>>> >>>> Surprisingly, everything still works. I now get those last seconds from >>>> my news streams. :-) >>>> >>>> So, yes, I can recomment the removal of pulseaudio, unless anybody's got >>>> some particular need for it. >>> IME, there is one application that all but forces the use of PulseAudio: >>> Flash. Once Flash grabs onto an ALSA device, it doesn't let go, so you >>> *must* route it through PA if you would like to reliably use it with >>> anything else. >>> >>> My particular discovery was that if I launched WoW under WINE, and then >>> launched a browser, audio in WoW worked fine. If I launched the browser >>> first (which resulted in a flash applet being loaded in GMail for the >>> purpose of audio notifications for google talk), Flash grabbed the ALSA >>> device and no WINE application could get at it. Routing both through >>> PulseAudio solved the problem. >> /I can have as many flash instances as I want and still listen to stuff >> being played in vlc. Without pulseaudio crap. >> >> Maybe wine just sucks?/ >> > Easy on the invective. Did you pay attention to the specific sequence of > events I described? Or are you simply reporting that Flash works fine as > an ALSA client along other concurrently reporting tasks, with no > reference to the explicit order of the launch of things? > > Incidentally, WoW+WINE worked absolutely fine with other ALSA clients. > It was only when Flash got added to the mix--and was launched > first--that I had a problem. Further, if Flash was launched before PA > (and ALSA apps weren't configured to route through PA's alsa wrapper), > PA itself could not latch on to the sound card. > > Also, it's possible Adobe has since fixed the bug. This was a couple > years ago, even before they added direct PulseAudio support to flash.
the order is completely irrelavant. I start flash, xine, amarok, vlc, alsaplayer, whatever - and it just works. Without pulseaudio, jackd, esd, artsd etc pp. I don't use wine. For a lot of good reasons.
