On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerar...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 11:23:43 schrieb pk: >> On 2011-09-18 09:37, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> > Other systems may start to use it if it proves itself useful. Lucky for >> > us, it doesn't obsolete anything else, just adds functionality to what >> > is already there. >> >> Although, one thing which I find very annoying is that the things that >> depend on it starts dbus-launch/daemon no matter if I don't want to run >> it or not (it's not running acc. to rc-update show but ps -ef shows both >> dbus-launch and dbus-daemon running). I'm using Xfce4 and have Audacious >> installed which depends on dbus-glib, which of course depends on dbus >> itself. No other packages uses it (USE= -dbus). Xfce4 and Audacious >> hasn't used dbus before a certain version (at least it has not been >> mandatory) and I've been using them for years (haven't had the time to >> look for alternatives yet). >> In general I have a problem with packages that pulls in *something* >> which in turn depends on *something else* which in turn... overlapping >> functionality etc. It's quite troublesome to keep, for instance, gconf >> out of my system (masked by me to detect any "upgrades" that tries to >> pull it in)... >> >> In my "world" software (in general) should not become an "obstacle"; it >> is just a tool to accomplish whatever you want it to do. Ideally the OS >> (and whatever interfaces the user) shouldn't consume _any_ resources at >> all (yes, I'm well aware that it's not possible). Resource usage should >> at least be kept to a minimum, otherwise I have to buy new faster >> hardware for each "upgrade" (be it for security, for functionality etc.) >> and if I liked that I could just go with Windows. My whole complaint >> about this udev business is that we're "ballooning" out of control, IMO, >> becoming the "monster" that, I assume, most of us wanted to avoid. >> >> PS. My animosity towards dbus is "historical"; I did use it years ago >> (together with gnome, gconf etc.) which caused me nothing but trouble. >> I've avoided that crap ever since. I do agree that the idea _behind_ >> dbus seems sensible but I'm not so sure about the implementation. >> >> Best regards >> >> Peter K > > years ago? is gnome even using dbus for years? They had their broken > corba/orbit/bonobo stuff.
They used ORBit/bonobo during 1.0 and 1.2 series. With GNOME 2.0, and when dbus got stable (1.0), they started migrating stuff to it, but they keep bonobo around for compatibility reasons. With GNOME 3, bonobo is completely deprecated, and everything needing IPC should use dbus. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
