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Hi, On 2020/08/08 22:57, William Hubbs wrote: > On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 09:17:20PM +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: >> On 2020.08.08 19:51, William Hubbs wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on >>> new >>> systems from eudev to udev. >>> >>> This is not a lastrites, and it will not affect current systems since >>> they have to migrate manually. Also, this change can be overridden at >>> the profile level if some profile needs eudev (the last time I >>> checked, >>> this applies to non-glibc configurations). >>> >>> What do people think? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> William >>> >>> >> >> William, >> >> With the declared aim from upstream of making udev inseparable from >> systemd, its not something to be done lightly. >> That's the entire reason that eudev was necessary. > > Eudev never became necessary unless you are using a non-glibc system, > and as I said, this can be handled in the profiles. > Udev runs completely fine without systemd, so I fail to see how eudev > is necessary for most of Gentoo. It actually works is enough reason for me. Was forced to migrate a bunch of systems not six months back from systemd-udev to eudev because systemd-udev is absolutely terrible w.r.t. race conditions resulting in lockups that kept forcing us into manual intervention situations. Mostly on systems with LVM. I'm completely against the proposal. >> I would want some convincing that it was not another step on the road >> to Gentoo being assimilated by systemd. >> >> We had this discussion several years ago when the default became >> eudev. What's changed? > > If systemd folks do make udev inseparable from systemd, then we would > need eudev to be the default, but as I see it right now, there is not > a case for it being the default. Other than that it works and the systemd version does not. Might be configuration dependent, but I don't expect a default udev configuration/system side to not cause LVM breakages when running commands as simple as "lvs". eudev in coparison just works. > > Another thing to consider is bus factor (eudev is maintained by one > person primarily, so I have doubts about its viability as the default. Yes, this is a problem. Kind Regards, Jaco -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEyyCUcKjG7P5BDam8CC3Esa/37p4FAl8vG1AACgkQCC3Esa/3 7p7Yvgf6Apoi1oCUKSyLEvH8fAEgbMIODULJAZx5+/C1dbROdjkWEzTTp3pNjWiQ u8S2qz3xmh9QmKBwTAxB38U/gqXVRpF+xYfSF7K/CDUVcfAg5ViTL3W7YeJMPFNa Jk8BgrarAc1Ln8OXCJ37Gf0eeuyBTsQQQ5qqubzNjdLBhrZegWY57gElrItE0Ywb IjVBUO4QX3PSoOpZ5UlIo8Ioh+8ANXc/ADg7wASVQkd3dciyewZasZho/q6cNn6W c44aMNFRTeiUfcK4+bpGMslq70y7D7JITkjkP+9e68e8wkh93L8fVs4BszBYEtUY G6IXc4QtJ5Jf3bQRbyCnGcFYXrSLgg== =rF5/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
