On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 03:16:19PM -0500, Dale wrote: > William Hubbs wrote: > > Hi Dale, > > > > I would like to call your attention to a couple of things in my message. > > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 01:40:10PM -0500, Dale wrote: > >> William Hubbs wrote: > > *snip* > > > >>> I want to hear from people who have / and /usr on separate partitions > >>> and who are not using an initramfs. > >>> > >>> If you are in this group, I have a very specific question. Why aren't > >>> you using an initramfs? > > *snip* > > > >> I have a separate /usr among others and always have. The reason I do > >> that, /boot and / are normal partitions but everything else is LVM. I > >> can adjust the size of everything BUT /boot and /. At the time I did > >> that, the init thingy was not needed if I recall correctly. I might > >> add, I've had to grow /usr and /var a couple times. Before LVM, it > >> meant copying over to another drive, repartitioning and then restoring > >> to the old drive. Time consuming and one wrong command could ruin a > >> install. > >> > >> While I have a init thingy, I do not like it. I've had a couple > >> failures already with those things. Luckily I keep older kernels and > >> such for that. If I had my wish, I would not need a init thingy, ever. > >> It's just one more thing that can cause problems. There's already more > >> than enough things that can break. While I understand the problem comes > >> from upstream, I still think it sucks. It's easy enough to have a > >> unbootable kernel as it is. Adding another layer for booting to fail > >> should be avoided. BTW, I use dracut. I tried to build it other ways > >> but couldn't get it to work. Bad thing is, when one fails even built > >> with dracut, I have no clue how it works really so no idea how to fix > >> other than using a older kernel or just rerunning dracut and hoping for > >> the best. > > > > You just stated that you have an initramfs, so you did not thoroughly > > read my message. I specifically asked to hear from folks who aren't > > using one. All of this is irrelivent since you are. > > > >> I'm also not looking forward to the other situation you mentioned > >> either. At some point, having separate partitions won't be easy with or > >> without a init thingy. I can't easily resize / without reworking the > >> whole thing. > > > > Like I said above, separate partitions without an initramfs has been > > broken for many years. We have been doing some downstream hacking that > > made it work for some people. You are obviously not one of those people > > since you use an initramfs. > > > > Can you please not add irrelivent noise to this thread? > > > > William > > > I did read your message. The reason I posted, I wish I did NOT have to > have one and I was in the situation you describe. From what people > post, here and elsewhere, my system may not boot without one. So, if it > is possible to NOT have a init thingy, I'd love to see that supported.
We are doing a bit of custom hackery at this point to make it work as well as it does, so the reason for this thread is to determine why people in that situation still are. Expanding support would mean more custom hackery and forcing more things to install in / instead of /usr, so I don't see us going there. > I might also add, I originally thought this was on -user not -dev. I > did see that wrong. It doesn't matter that this is on -dev. William
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