On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:31:45 +0100 Jeroen Roovers <j...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 08:03:08 +0100 > Jan Matejka <y...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > > > No, categories are essentially directories. > > > > fixed: categories are essentially also directories. > > Also? No, categories are *essentially* directories: they keep files > apart that should not go together. In precisely that way, their names > happen to aid in building unique atoms, which you need to be able to > tell a package manager (or development tool) which precise bunch of > files you want to read/address/target/modify/etc. > > They are *also* other things, like identifiers for actual categories > of packages (hence the name) These are all accidental properties of our categories application. I don't see how they are relevant. What I was describing is the difference between fundamental properties of categories and tags. > which may or may not suit someone's > needs in finding packages based on keywords. That's where tags comes in. > Stating in a GLEP that they're a "giant mistake" means you'll have to > polish the document till you have rephrased that into something true agreed. > and acceptable, or until you have purged every mention and reference > of the "giant mistake" because it does not serve the purpose of the > GLEP at all. > > Categories are *essential* to the way the repositories now work, and > they're not going away, especially not by way of this GLEP. See below. > > > > I was asking about tags, not about categories. > > > > The original mails are: > > > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 15:46:09 +0100 > > > Jeroen Roovers <j...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 > > > > Alec Warner <anta...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags > > > > > > > > "This GLEP author would love to blight categories out of > > > > gentoo history as a giant mistake." > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > Categories are essentially tags, only less powerful as they can > > > express relationship of 1:N while tags are can express M:N > > > > How is this a question about tags and not categories? > > The GLEP's statements about categories appear to be a straw man. It > basically states that: > > * we introduced categories to aid in finding packages > * but it turned out that categories suck at helping us find packages > * so now we need to add "tags" > * but we can keep categories because they have proven useful for > other stuff Please explain how is the straw man different from real issue. --- Jan Matějka | Developer https://gentoo.org | Gentoo Linux GPG: A33E F5BC A9F6 DAFD 2021 6FB6 3EBF D45B EEB6 CA8B
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