On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:01:19 +0200 Robert David <robert.david.pub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Newer say that wrapper will grow openrc size, and also dont know why > it would be bad. That's what I'd like to know from him, I was quoting both of you, > I really dont know how many user will switch inits and how many of > them will do this regularly. Users that would like to compare things, users that are bothered by one init system and try to try an alternative one; developers that want to test both init scripts and service units and thus need to change often, people that would want a specific init system but haven't found out how to switch properly to it yet. I think there are more than a hand full. > But the wrapper will be executed every boot. So even a tiny mistake > can produce booting problems even for those who did not wanted to > change anything in init process. One would properly test the wrapper, perhaps even have multiple members of arch teams test it, before bringing this out to the user base; it's a very critical matter and we can indeed not afford a mistake here. That being said, once the wrapper is in place and works; I don't think we need to touch it often, it's just a wrapper after all. Do other wrappers, desktop files and files of similar nature we use around Gentoo change often; I think not. > On the other hand mistake in some system process will affect only > those who would actually switching. It is only calculation of > possible risks. If you do risk assessment, you should count in all risks; that therefore also means to take maintainability into account. See my other mail about what it takes to step away from a loosely coupled approach. > I also did not say it must be done the reboot way I mentioned, this is > only and different point what can be though about. And we're thinking it through, I don't see why you mention this; I can understand that you don't necessarily stand behind it though, that's OK. > > > > I'd rather have a clean wrapper that just works than an unclean way > > to cover the reboot madness that comes along; forcing a reboot, > > really? > > > > I do not see point not forcing reboot when I'm switching init, or let > say suggesting. When you update your kernel config, rebuild and > install you also can stay working, but you have to be prepared to have > nonworking modules that was not inserted before. My point was that with a wrapper you don't need to force this; the modules problem is irrelevant to this discussion, I don't see any problem in that light with the approaches we are discussing here. PS: If this message ends up in a separate thread, it's because I'm forwarding it from my Sent mail because there was no reply-to present. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D
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