On 05/15/13 20:20, William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 02:18:13PM -0400, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 03:41:31PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote >>> Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're >>> currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the >>> features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained >>> state? openrc-settingsd was the first thing that we as Gentoo >>> developers (Pacho?) had to write in order to merge GNOME 3.6 into our >>> tree. >> >> So Redhat, who are heavily into GNOME >> ( http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_contributions#GNOME_developers ) >> decided to make GNOME depend on other Redhat-developed software (systemd >> and pulseadio). Well... like... dohhhh... >> >> Question... when Sun made OpenOffice depend on Java (also a Sun >> product) did Gentoo developers run around suggesting that Java be made a >> part of the core Gentoo base system? I don't think so. If a user wants >> to run GNOME badly enough, he'll switch to systemd. I don't see why the >> rest of us (i.e. non-users of GNOME) should have to follow along and >> reconfigure our systems. This is a case of the tail wagging the dog. > > I don't interpret what he is saying that way. I think what he is > talking about is that we are trying to get teams to support non-systemd > setups when upstreams do not, like with gnome. > > Gnome now has a hard dependency on systemd (for gnome newer than 3.8). > Some folks want to use gnome without systemd and are putting that under > the gentoo is about choice banner and want us to support them. > >>> So what do we want to do then? Isolate from the rest of the world? >>> (It's not a sarcastic question). I hope that everybody does their >>> own reality check. >> >> You are effectively calling not-using-GNOME isolationist. Let's just >> say I disagree with you on that. BTW, see my sig. > > See above. > > William > If upstream gnome has that dep on systemd then I kinda think we should too (technical decision, not one I like personally)
-- -- Matthew Thode (prometheanfire)
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