Mike Frysinger schrieb: > On Saturday 12 November 2011 17:24:08 Patrick Lauer wrote: >> On 11/11/11 16:44, Zac Medico wrote: >>>> good point. we don't want to punish old portage users. let's enable it >>>> by default in portage itself then. just add `elog` output to the >>>> portage ebuild to inform users of the change ? or do we want a news >>>> item ? >>>> >>>> what's the flag to negate the default ? --no-quiet-build ? ;) >>> >>> It's --quiet-build=n. I've gone ahead and enabled it for release in >>> portage-2.1.10.34: >>> >>> http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/portage.git;a=commit;h=0cc1 >>> 74b6fc28feb26ea151d76f794e0ff2c2fa39 >> >> Lots of people in #gentoo are unhappy with it. > > most changes people will be unhappy with because it's different > >> Most devs will be unhappy as it makes it harder to view the log while >> building. > > devs are not the normal case. it's trivial to have them use --quiet-build=n > in their default emerge opts. > -mike
This can be argued from either side, if the default is verbose, you can make it quiet in the default emerge opts and the other way round. So this is no argument for or against default quiet build in my eyes. As already said, it is nice to see, where a build hangs, when some specific task does take longer and until now, it was easy to see, just watch the output. With the new default, you cannot say, what it does, where it may be or if there are many things or just one line taking much time. And you additionally have to go to the build.log manually to actually see something. In addition, it is also nice to just a quick look into the console to see, what and where it failed. Both points are probably not only usefull to devs, but also to many users, in addition to the point, that changing the default emerge opts gets time consuming, when you have more than 1 or 2 machines. Additionally, not every machine used by a dev will or should be using a dev/ profile, so changing the default there will not fix the issue. So i also vote for a revert of this. If you dont want to see the output for whatever reason, you can still make it quiet, but i have not yet seen any reason to make it quiet by default for everyone.
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