On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 22:21 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: > William L. Thomson Jr. kirjoitti: > > > > No clue on ETA. I will take a peek/poke at it. I need to double check, > > but pretty sure icedtea might still need sun-jdk to build. Even if that > > is not the case, things like the plugin and other non-open aspects > > aren't available yet in icedtea. So there is still much left to be > > desired. > > > > The whole reason for icedtea to exist is to have a version of OpenJDK > that doesn't require sun-jdk to build.
Right but when we have discussed it in the past, the dep of sun-jdk was the de-motivator. Pretty much per your words in a past August meeting[1-2]. "(16:46:07) wltjr: I am clueless to it all, just picking up on tid bits, no clue on requirements (16:46:16) wltjr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea_%28software%29 (16:46:21) Betelgeuse: icedtue builts just fine with Sun Java (16:46:26) Betelgeuse: but that beats the point of icedtea (16:46:31) wltjr: lol :) (16:46:36) vladsharp: wltjr: the last time I checked, IcedTea? needed gcj working (16:46:45) vladsharp: Betelgeuse: yes.. (16:46:56) Caster: sounds like geki's job :P (16:47:10) Betelgeuse: eventually icedtea stuff should be merged back to OpenJDK proper (16:47:19) Betelgeuse: so IcedTea? would never really make into main tree (16:47:28) Betelgeuse: as such I am not interested in putting effort to packaging it (16:47:38) Betelgeuse: but others feel free :)" Granted I believe things have changed since, but are not 100%. gcj is not even official maintained by any Gentoo Devs atm. No where near close to being added to tree. Much less in the same overlay as openjdk. Not that it's in bad shape, but there is no syncing or collaboration there. But seems moot, as IcedTea should not require gcj to build. If I am reading the upstream docs correctly[3]. > You can also have a plugin with the use of gcjwebplugin. Even the plugin lacks allot of plugin functionality per the previous link[3]. They claim basic support. Kinda makes me think about gnash wrt to Flash there. Sure there is an open source Flash player plugin, but can anyone really use it all the time? Not really, so not sure if applets are the same with gcjwebplugin. I doubt one could use that in all places a normal Java plugin would be used. Not to mention gcjwebplugin is another project[4], not part of IcedTea. They are just using it. I don't know if IcedTea is shipping it or is available on it's own? Seems integration is still in progress[5]. If on it's own, I don't believe there is a gcjwebplugin ebuild floating around? What about Java Webstart? Which is almost used more than the plugin on the desktop these days, for some. Seems they are using another external project there? But I can't find reference or mention, atm. Is that a complete project as well? Not sure. 1. http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/java/wiki/August_2007_Summary 2. http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/java/wiki/August_2007_Meeting_Log 3. http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea/file/6cb15624ed1d/README 4. http://www.nongnu.org/gcjwebplugin/ 5. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IcedTea#head-f4ea0ed1739c747de59e7b55d241cc8d9d574165 -- William L. Thomson Jr. Gentoo/Java
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