On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 11:22 +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote:
> On 02-10-2007 09:48:06 +0100, Roy Marples wrote:
> > > What is your rationale to say that "pure sh" is a "bonus"?  Especially
> > > given the environment this is used in as ferdy already pointed out?
> > 
> > The bonus is that it works on shells other than bash.
> 
> I give you a big chance Solaris' or AIX' /bin/sh won't grok this stuff.

Neither claim to be posix shells either, or didn't last I looked.
I say baselayout-2 works with any shell that claims posix. Of course,
changing it to bash is a trivial matter also.

> > My motivation? Simple. I don't believe that the portage tree should be
> > locked into using one shell. I believe that vendor lock-in should happen
> 
> "vendor lock-in" is an interesting term to mention here, as bash is open
> source, and I think (I'm not a lawyer) free to use as long as you want,
> and modifyable if you like.

Just because it's open source does not mean that it won't try and lock
you in.

> Given my own "history" I have a hard time to believe you are persuing
> the right track here.  It may or may not be a secret that I currently do
> the complete opposite of what you're trying to do -- so far with a good
> lot of success, especially given the number of completely different
> platforms.
> 
> Question from me to you is, whether your vision is just to get (Free)BSD
> working seamlessly with Gentoo, or whether you also look beyond your
> current scope to the "Meta Distribution".  This includes the benefit of
> moving from bash to POSIX(?) sh as standard kit to interpret the meta
> information.  Changing init.d scripts is one thing, changing the
> definition of how the meta information should be read is another thing.

A common parlance on Slashdot when referring to Microsoft is that
monoculture is bad. Forcing bash and GNU tools down everyones throat is
no better - it's just replacing one monoculture with another one.

Thanks

Roy

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